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[Amithony]

I thought about this one on the way home. Apple has managed to survive in spite of the wintel juggernaught. Would it not be better to have an "Apple-Amiga" than an out of date box that is ahead of its time. Sounds funny when you read it back. If not apple, then who, and how do we let them know what they are missing out on?

[weirdami]

custodians like to throw saw dust on things

[alexh]

Surely an undertaker would be more apt? ;-)

Amiga have nothing Apple want.
Apple has nothing that Amiga wants. (In terms of hardware now that Apple have moved to Intel)

Until the current court case is over between Amiga and Hyperion, no-one would touch Amiga with a 10ft pole.

[Argo]

Amithony wrote:
Apple has managed to survive in spite of the wintel juggernaught.

Nope, they didn't. The original Apple Corp. is dead.
Microsoft at one point bought a good amount of stock in Apple, Inc., which helped them stay afloat and it also looks good to the antitrust judge when there is another major brand in your marketspace. I believe Microsoft still owns about 10% of the shares.
With OS X, they moved to an OS built on a BSD core. So, they did bring UNIX to the masses. Something no UNIX/Linux variant has done.
Apple has moved from PPC to an Intel processor.
They have survived because of the WinTel Juggernaught.

[impactor]

IMO Hyperion would be best custodians - probably Amiga OS is the most valuable IP, and they would be the best guys to continue development of it.

[Crom00]

Apples biggest product is a line of MP3 players. Not OSX.

Anything is possible, An Amiga powered AppleTV type device makes sense. Remember.. a 50 mhz A1200 plays mp3s with a tiny os that could fit in an ipod device.

But Apple Apple has an unlimited R&D budget compared to Commodore and it's R&D and CSG division the 64 days.
They don't need Amiga.

A port to intel for them would be a pedestrian task compared to the great labor it would be for Hyperion or small time Amiga developers.

But the weakest link here?
Google Amiga, you get stories about lawsuits and areana naming faux pax, and cracker jack accounts about the Amiga being the permiere computer for graphics or something like that.

Who in their right mind would want to be associated with that. Even if all that happened is just bad luck and Amiga Inc were truly trying their hardest to make it work...

It is what it is, and it ain't lookin good.

[Gebrochen]

@ Alexh:

thats not entirely true.

Ivebeen using xp for many, many years, and have always remebered how my farther hated the crashing and all.

I also remeber growing up with the A1000.

(Hate Gates for marketing a {bleep} product)
Then I remember trying various other OS's to try and replace windows, as I also didnt like many things.

However, I admit, it is easy for a human to adapt and get used to things, so although Iadmit I may have gotton used to windows, I must say, I still bought a SAM440EP and Amiga OS4.1 despite the courtcase.

ALso to note here, I have done like on and off research into this Amiga topic (new os stuff nd HW), be it A1200 refurbished, Efika, Pegasos, A1, they were all contenters.But it was price that always put me off, as it was meant to be second hand hardware.

the A1200 put me off, as A4000, when I did more research, realising my wish to have Amiga system OS as my daily runner may never be reached, due to hard to get PPC parts, that would allow me to run certain type of software or games.

Then, if I look back, its taken me about two or more years, and also, when I first started looking into it, I was not even sure abut anything, apart from that it would be nice to have an OS that is unique and is something I would be proud of to state in a conversation with thers, that may not even know what it is.

Another note here, would be the fact that I am literally, if one wants to look at it from a different angle, a novice user to the Amiga OS, as, the only real Amiga OS I wouldve gotton used to, before emulation and AROS, wouldve been 1.3 on my A1000.

HENCE, I believe that your statement may not be entirely true alex, there may be others out there willing to give the new system a go, if it were offerred for less.

If anything, I bought it, thinking that if Hyperion lost I wuld never ever be able to get a modern Hardware compliant Amiga system.

Lastly, I must say, that, there were a few time I could have had an A1, or an A1200 with PPC, from ebay, but again, the price made me stay away, as I was more or less after modern, or if not mdern,atleast new hardware that would come with support if something went wrong in future, be it my system, or perhaps some of the amiga people in the club here in victoria.

I must say, it is a bit nerve racking, when I carry it in a nike carry bag, to an amiga meeting, its like, If it werre x86 hardware, I would just chuck it in the boot if it were new or not, but I noticed, with my sam440ep AO4.1 in nexus case(with aftermarket psu, as the one the case came with failed the second night) I was treating it almost like a child. ANdyet this is me we are talking abut, a guy that hasnt really had the chance to experience a real amiga os as a daily computer(be it os3.0 or 4.1)

I only recently(again before the purchase of sam) experience A1200 personally at home usage.

Anything before this, was simply memories of 1 nighters of people my farther new to get burnt(copied) floppy games and software)

Sorry about the long essay.

One final note, I almost bought the efika from ausppc guy, thats how desperately I wanted to start steering away from windows at home, u see, I dont mind using it at work with the rest of the sheep, its not mine, nor my time being wasted with the slowness of the dual core, 1.5gigRAM CAD pc's we have.

I have always had a place for amiga in my heart.

But then at the same time, after looing for so long and hoping for so long that I dont have to be forced to get something else, I am here now, with the rest of you amiga freaks.

Well, sorry about this, but I had to get the story ofhow it came to be for me off my chest in public.

Thank you in advance for supporting me recent times since Ive joined, I know its been a long road, and I may have sounded out of tune many times, but, now I may be looking forward to further hardware in the future perhaps, just like bplan have been doing for MorphOS.
Cheers.

P.S. Im writing on a flexo rubber keyboard, so theabove wording may seem its missing letters.

[recidivist]

It has been my observation that large companies often buy out a competitor and simply shut it down,moving the customers to the dominant product.The louder the buyout team promises to keep things as they are,the more certain the old brand will disappear.I've been through it a half-dozen times with corporations in three different fields.

Apple already has the industry standard publishing,audio, and video programs;with the switch to digital TV ,any advantage the synergy of Amiga custom chips and Amiga OS had for those markets is gone.Without its native video capability Amiga would not have been Toasted,and would have been little different than Atari ST.

I can see nothing good from Apple acquiring Amiga IP.

In an ideal world ,Amiga,Inc. and Hyperion would settle Amicably ,form a fair working partnership,fully license Acube,Elbox,Genesi,and others to produce new classic and updated hardware and software.Wasting years in courts have hurt everybody.

[ChuckT]

If everyone wants to spend $1,000 more than it costs then go right ahead and transfer the technology to Apple. Of course, their customer base wouldn't appreciate it because they would be like "Uh..I thought we already beat them."

But anyone can float the idea to Apple.

[billt]

If Apple found themselves in ownership of Amiga, what motivation do they have (from their point of view, not ours), to do anything with it other than file it in a cabinet somewhere and forget about it?

[bloodline]

Apple need amiga technology like I need an anvil chained around my neck: Some here might like it, but it wouldn't do me any good!

[Atheist]

billt wrote:

If Apple found themselves in ownership of Amiga, what motivation do they have (from their point of view, not ours), to do anything with it other than file it in a cabinet somewhere and forget about it?

Be ware of Leopard

[impactor]

Realistically what is the real value of the Amiga IP now? I believe any value or potential it had has been squandered by years of successive failures and this has been royally rounded off by the manifest incompetence of Amiga Inc.

The Amiga name, as a brand, has little value any more - except to us few Amigans who remember it, most people have gone to PCs and just fondly remember the Amiga as an 'old' machine, they wouldn't dream of even looking at amiga.org for example - it would take a monumental publicity exercise to breath any new life in the Amiga name and generate wider interest.

That's just the name, the Amiga OS and hardware is not worth much now either I wouldn't imagine.

The reason I say this is because I can't see Apple would ever be interested in the Amiga, unless, as has been previously stated they just got the IP and then stored it away in some vault, to put an end to any Amiga market, as small as it is to them.

But I am not being negative, just a realist. I think the future of the Amiga is best served by companies like Hyperion, who acknowledge and understand the limitations of the platform and embrace it for what it is and develop accordingly. That way there is much life in the Amiga yet.

[quarkx]

Apple had the chance when it was worth something and passed on it. Ironically, Commodore had the chance to buy Apple and passed on it. The ONLY way is for a Amiga lover to keep it strong, otherwise, its not worth anything to anyone.

[Amithony]

impactor wrote:
IMO Hyperion would be best custodians - probably Amiga OS is the most valuable IP, and they would be the best guys to continue development of it.

I would be inclined to agree. Love the avatar by the way. whats it from?