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Old 08-26-2003, 12:40 PM   #1
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Default Backing up Windows XP!!!!!!

Err, I konw this probably isn't the BEST place in the world to ask this, but you guys and girls are so friendly and helpful, so here goes...

I'm going to be recieving a shinny new computer form a rather well known brand. It will have Windows XP pre-installed (OEM) which I presume will mean it has no disc with it. Before I'm linched I better explain I need Windows to play games on...sorry I mean, because of work :-D .

I've actually resisted getting a PC but now I really have to :-( . I'm not computer illiterate, I've used Windows from 3.11 (but not XP yet), Unix, Linux, Amiga O/S etc. but Windows XP has got me worried, if I do manage to completly destroy the installation how do I get it back? I've been looking around and the Windows Backup program isn't in the standard install only on the disc. I know XP has 'repair' options, but I'd rather have a CD-R and install floppy with a basic install on which I can return to if needed. i.e. when I make the thing dual boot and I lose the whole hard-drive by repartitioning, etc!

(The back ground to this is that I got a great deal on the computer bundle but the sales person on the other end of the phone tried to sell me a reinstallation package for 100 !!!! I almost laughed at him, and explained that I wouldn't need it as I made regular backups.)

So as to turn this into a discussion, this sort of practice seems ridiculous to me, Microsoft are so concerned with people illegally copying their O/S that they make it impossible for the average user to have peace of mind. The stupid thing is that I could have got hold of a bare bones system and put an illegal copy of XP Pro on it. Why make it easier for someone to copy their program than actually buy it legally? I hope a Pegasos hack of Amiga O/S 4.0 dosen't do the same! (By the way I want O/S 4 for pegasos...could somebody please help me to put these worms back in the can :-) .
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Old 08-26-2003, 12:56 PM   #2
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Default Re: Backing up Windows XP!!!!!!

I use Norton Ghost 2003
(makes images of Partitions and whole drives)
NTFS or FAT

another product is Powerquest DriveImage

I'd recommend GHOST
it's your choice :-)
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:07 PM   #3
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Default Re: Backing up Windows XP!!!!!!

You can make a image of Windows XP with Norton Ghost or Drive Image. The newest version of Drive Image can burn the image on CD immediately.
If you have a spare drive or a partition, you can put it there.

But you could better ask them an original OEM Windows XP version or a recovery CD, because you paid for a Windows XP license.

You do not have to boot from floppy. Most new motherboards let you boot from CD.

It is not very difficult to install Windows.

If you are experimenting with your harddisk, always backup your important data. They are found in the directory Documents and settings.
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:09 PM   #4
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Like Duesi said, try ghost first... Easy to use and powerfull... You can even use it over a network to get an image back on a PC.. Works great..
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:10 PM   #5
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Per duesi's post, I recommend Drive Image from PowerQuest - particularly the new version 7 of it. It can create an image of your partition or entire drive, even the one that you boot from, while it is in use. There is no need to boot to DOS with a startup disk in order to create the image. Doing it "online" also allows the image to be written to any device that the O.S. can write to (network, CD-R, CD-RW, USB hard drive, etc.) - not limited to specific devices or hardware that's directly connected to your machine or limited to the devices that the very small, limited boot floppy can support. It also comes with an emergency startup CD that you can boot from for use with restoring the image if you need to. I use it on my WinXP laptop, and it works great.
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:14 PM   #6
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I recommend Ghost 2003, easy to use and works perfectly every time and the backing up/restoring over my network is a breeze, backing up in dos is a advantage not a disadvantage as some people say.
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:36 PM   #7
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Windows XP pre-installed (OEM) which I presume will mean it has no disc with it.
There had better be a disc with it! You paid for that license.

I have owned Gateway's, HP's, Compaq's, and most recently a Dell. A "restore" disc was always provided. If they wan't more money for something you should get as a consequence of paying for a Windows license, I say stuff 'em and find a different company to buy from!
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Old 08-26-2003, 01:44 PM   #8
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There had better be a disc with it! You paid for that license.
Exactly - he owns the license, not the media ;-)

BTW a lot of computers with OEM installs seems to come with a "recovery partition" now - a smallish partition which has everything you need on (of course, it uses up space and won't help if your partition table decides to corrupt :roll. IIRC, micro$oft actually specified that CDs weren't to be bundled, but I'm not sure.
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Default Re: Backing up Windows XP!!!!!!

If you have a llicence/cd-key why not just download an iso of the net, you could get the corp version with no activation crap.
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Old 08-26-2003, 02:42 PM   #10
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Default Re: Backing up Windows XP!!!!!!

Hi,

I got a Compaq laptop (mighty fine thing) wich has XP installed on it. With it is a restore cd, so I only backup my important files. The restore cd takes only a short time and then copy back the backup files and you set. You should have that kind of cd to. If not then I recommand (like others did) that once you have a basic installation make a copy from it with Norton Ghost. It will be the same as I describe about the restore cd.

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I've used BackupMyPC a couple of times to do a full backup and it's
worked well for me.
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Old 08-26-2003, 05:06 PM   #12
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Just remember to backup all files that Windows Update downloaded.
Otherwise, you`ll have to go through the hell (or as MS might call it, 'Security upgrade experience' ;-) )of having to download all those lovely XP security patches all over again..
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Hmm... I'd recommend going with the flow and using Norton (symantec, whatever) Ghost 2003.

It works well with NTFS and FAT32, and can resize the restore on the fly, in case you want to shift around partition sizes, or need to re-install the drive image to a different size hard drive.

It also has a very strong verify function, and I've never seen it create a bad image. Plus, with "Ghost Explorer" you can pull a file or two out of a previous backup image.

Whenever I go to format the Windows box and start over, I first make a ghost of it. That way, any files I forgot to back up, I have in my ghost, and can restore... Also, if for some reason (licensing, whatever) I need to restore the machine to a previous state, I could do that, as well... All from one compressed backup set. :-)
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Old 08-28-2003, 01:31 PM   #14
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I'd also recommend getting a copy of Tweak-XP to back up your product activation key..
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Old 08-28-2003, 02:36 PM   #15
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Default Re: Backing up Windows XP!!!!!!

Personally, I would _NEVER_ pay for an operating system unless the installation media is included. If the whole package is a bargain I might settle with one of those recovery CDs - but what happens if you install new hardware and Windows asks you to "insert the Windows CD into your CD-ROM drive" to copy some DLLs not installed by default?

With Windows being as unstable as it is (viruses, trojans, spyware, registry breakdowns etc.) you shouldn't have to be without some way to reinstall your system.

Of course, the hard drive will come prepartitioned - probably as one huge C:\ - and if something blows up and you have to use the "repair" CD it will most likely wipe out all the contents of your drive.

By the way - if I own a Windows XP license but have no installation media, would it be illegal to use a home burned XP CD with my license key?
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Hmm. One more thing.

Is anyone else thinking that this whole license thing is blowing out of proportion? There's the OS3.9 license debacle, the Microsoft stuff about owning the right to use the product and not the product itself (funny how they even try to apply this to hardware, IE the X-Box), and of course the Unix vs. IBM & Linux thing.

I bet my Sony Discman includes a lot of patented stuff but if it was possible, I could install Linux on it and nobody would care. If I buy a copyrighted book, I can burn it or use the pages for taking notes using a big green marker pen. I could even cut out the little letters and words and use them to write a new book!

But with software... Hey, I'm lucky if I paid enough to let more than ten persons look at my homepage!
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Oh, how life is so much easier with one partition for just Windows, and another for apps and data.

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Old 08-28-2003, 03:43 PM   #18
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That goes for any OS IMHO. Workbench: and Work: are two fine examples of good thinking :-)
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Old 08-28-2003, 03:52 PM   #19
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Oh, how life is so much easier with one partition for just Windows, and another for apps and data.

Neh...
1 x 60 Gb HD for windows
1 x 120 Gb HD for programs and data
1 x 200 Gb HD for backup and useless data (pictures and stuff)

That makes life ease with Windows :-D

Offcourse a DVD+/-RW helps as well ;-)

(I admit that the 60 GB is not only for Windows, amd the 120 GB is more used for data then programs, but one must learn to read during installations not just clicking [next][next][next][next][next][finish])...

And BTW, I still have over 65% HD space free should anybody wonder)
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Everyone else has been reccomending things,
so I reccomend you unplug the pc
and throw it out the window.
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