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Old 09-13-2008, 06:44 AM   #1
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Default A4000 and Deneb combo question

I dont know if anyone asked this. But how well does a Deneb work with a stock 3640 card? what are the slow downs if any?
I am also looking to get FastATA MK-V will there be any issues with this combo?

Is the FastATA worth getting?
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Old 09-13-2008, 06:49 AM   #2
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

Why FastATA when you have Deneb? For drives you can use USB SATA/PATA adaptors.
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Old 09-13-2008, 06:56 AM   #3
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

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Why FastATA when you have Deneb? For drives you can use USB SATA/PATA adaptors.[/quote]

Cool. Thank you. How fast is the USB Hard drive to Amiga transfer? Better then internal? Better then SCSI? how does it compare?
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

USB drives can go up to 6-8 MB/s in DMA modus. SCSI depends which card you use.
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

I use a Deneb in my A4000D/3640 with a USB Ethernet device attached, a FastATA 4000 mkIV (with 2x80GB HD and a CD ROM), Cybervision 64/3D and a Zorro RAM board.

Everything works in harmony. If you're not going to use that motherboard IDE connector then consider getting a "terminator" for it to speed the boot-up.
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

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If you're not going to use that motherboard IDE connector then consider getting a "terminator" for it to speed the boot-up.
No need for that. Either you build your own OS 3.9 ROM file without IDE, or you can use the NoIDE module included in the Luciferin archive with the Deneb Flashrom.
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

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USB drives can go up to 6-8 MB/s in DMA modus. SCSI depends which card you use.
If I recall correctly, I was getting 5.x MB/s off the FastATA 4000 in PIO mode 4.

I'd rather boot off IDE Hard drive connected to a Zorro card rather than just bog the Deneb down with multiple devices and leave it to deal with my Ethernet and secondary storage devices.
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

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I use a Deneb in my A4000D/3640 with a USB Ethernet device attached, a FastATA 4000 mkIV (with 2x80GB HD and a CD ROM), Cybervision 64/3D and a Zorro RAM board.

Everything works in harmony. If you're not going to use that motherboard IDE connector then consider getting a "terminator" for it to speed the boot-up.
Thanks i was thinking of getting that Terminator withthe other stuff i am buying from AmigaKit. I just want to be certain before i comit a lot of cash... LOL

So far on order list, Indvision AGA, IDE-Fix 1200, Deneb, Terminator.... (LOL I hope the wife doesnt find out yet...)
Another questions would you pick FASTATA over the Buddha?
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

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No need for that. Either you build your own OS 3.9 ROM file without IDE, or you can use the NoIDE module included in the Luciferin archive with the Deneb Flashrom.
Oh bugger! I knew I should have spent more time getting to grips with Luciferin - I hadn't noticed the NoIDE module (or understood what it was designed for). I bought a cheap hardware terminator for a few bucks, but I haven't got home to fit it yet.

Cheers for the tip though.

I've completely cleared the Deneb of all modules and run the USB stack as Workbench boots. Considering my setup, what modules would you recommend I load into the Deneb Flash ROM?

A4000D 68040/25MHz running OS.39 BB2
2MB/16MB RAM
Additional 8MB on Zorro
Cybervision 64/3D with CybergraphX4.x
FastATA 4000 with 2x80GB HDs, 1xCD ROM
Deneb with Ethernet device, also used mostly with memory sticks and a IDE/SATA to USB cable.
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

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Thanks i was thinking of getting that Terminator withthe other stuff i am buying from AmigaKit. I just want to be certain before i comit a lot of cash... LOL

So far on order list, Indvision AGA, IDE-Fix 1200, Deneb, Terminator.... (LOL I hope the wife doesnt find out yet...)
Another questions would u pick FASTATA ove the Buddha?
Once the stuff is installed, the wife will never know (I speak from experience)! :-D

Get the FastATA 4000 - it's a Zorro3 card and a lot faster than the Zorro2 Buddha.

Once you have it installed, set it up to use "No Split" and then SFS rather than FSF to get some nice big partitions on your hard drive(s).

I found it easier to set up the large hard drives by installing OS3.9 to a split drive first and then using the OS3.9 toolbox to partition and set up the large 80GB drive with SFS and then drag the contents to the split drive over to the large drive before repartitioning the split drive as another large drive.

Now I just back up the primary drive by copying the contents to the secondary drive. Any {bleep}-ups installing software on the system drive can be fixed by just wiping it and dragging the old data back from the secondary. Easier than Windows rollback! ;-)
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Old 09-13-2008, 07:34 AM   #11
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

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Thanks i was thinking of getting that Terminator withthe other stuff i am buying from AmigaKit. I just want to be certain before i comit a lot of cash... LOL

So far on order list, Indvision AGA, IDE-Fix 1200, Deneb, Terminator.... (LOL I hope the wife doesnt find out yet...)
Another questions would u pick FASTATA ove the Buddha?
Once the stuff is installed, the wife will never know (I speak from experience)! :-D

Get the FastATA 4000 - it's a Zorro3 card and a lot faster than the Zorro2 Buddha.

Once you have it installed, set it up to use "No Split" and then SFS rather than FSF to get some nice big partitions on your hard drive(s).

I found it easier to set up the large hard drives by installing OS3.9 to a split drive first and then using the OS3.9 toolbox to partition and set up the large 80GB drive with SFS and then drag the contents to the split drive over to the large drive before repartitioning the split drive as another large drive.

Now I just back up the primary drive by copying the contents to the secondary drive. Any {bleep}-ups installing software on the system drive can be fixed by just wiping it and dragging the old data back from the secondary. Easier than Windows rollback! ;-)
WOW Cool... Since I have heaps of 40GB and 80GB seagate HDD I like your Idea and i will definitely do that as for the wife "MY BROTHER WANTED ME TO BUY THIS FOR HIM... LOOK SEE "HE" GAVE ME THE MONEY ALREADY........." and i am sticking to it!! GOD the things us married guys have to go thru to get what we want....... :-D :-P
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Old 09-13-2008, 08:45 AM   #12
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WOW Cool... Since I have heaps of 40GB and 80GB seagate HDD I like your Idea and i will definitely do that as for the wife "MY BROTHER WANTED ME TO BUY THIS FOR HIM... LOOK SEE "HE" GAVE ME THE MONEY ALREADY........." and i am sticking to it!! GOD the things us married guys have to go thru to get what we want....... :-D :-P
I initally threw in a spare 80GB Western Digital drive and the FastATA (set for split by default) broke it up into around 17 or 18 x 4GB partitions so my Workbench screen was littered with them!

I set one up using the OS3.1 install disk as a boot disk, installed the FastATA prefts so I could use the CD ROM, installed CGX to use the CV64/3D and then made an Emergency Boot disk for OS3.9 (it added the divers to the boot disk for CD ROM and RTG). I did a full install of OS3.9 and then copied over SFS from Aminet. I then grabbed a Seagate 80GB drive and put it on the secondary port, set it for "no split" (you may need to reinstall the FastATA prefs after installing OS3.9 as they go MIA), added the SFS to my libs draw, used the 3.9 toolbox to correctly read the drive configuration and partition it (I made it 2 x 40GB), dragged my OS3.9 over from the other drive, rebooted using the new large drive as Sys:, change the primary drive mode to "no split", repartitioned it as another 2x40GB drive and copied the 2nd drive back to the 1st. Just make sure you set up the boot priorities to boot from the correct drive first and you can always change the boot device from the early startup if you need to.

Don't try and partition a large hard drive using "no-split" and OS3.1 toolbox as it reports garbage and even when you manual input the correct values it still goes tit-up on the partitioning screen. Do it from OS3.9 and save yourself some hair-pulling. :-D
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Default Re: A4000 and Deneb combo question

Thanks mate for the great tip... now all i have to do is wait...................
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