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WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« on: May 23, 2008, 06:11:44 PM »
Hi,
    Looking for a monitor that will work with an Amiga 4000. I am in Sydney Australia.

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 06:26:38 PM »
Why don't use an LCD monitor instead? :-?
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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 11:49:23 PM »
Sorry, that was my first post and I am new to Amiga. I had an Amiga 1000 when they first came out. But have been away from the scene since. I just assumed that I need something Amiga specific as a Monitor.

If that is the case with the LCD then I guess I want cable to go from D-15 or whatever it is on the back of the Amiga 4000 to SVGA or DVI or whatever it is that LCD monitors take now days.

That could ship from anywhere... Where can I get a cable like that, or how do I build one, is there a cable 4000 video cable building URL..?

I also need a keyboard and mouse. The keyboard looks like PS/2, is that right?

Sorry, I am an Amiga newbie, my other machine is a 16 x 400MHz MIPS R12000 Onyx2 with 32Gb of RAM, DIVO/Genlock/etc and lots of separate disk arrays and JBOD disks, but I have another 8 CPUs coming in the mail.



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Amiga 4000 VideoToaster NTSC 110v
Amiga 4000 CD-ROM PAL-SECAM 240v
24 x MIPS CPUs Onyx2 37.5 Gb RAM DIVO/Genlock and about four racks including 12 x R14000 CPU o300, MountainGate SCSI S-VHS, fiberchannel, SAS, craylink, gigachannel, ccNUMAlink, etc.. and stuff scrounged from local studios, TV Film and Radio school

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2008, 02:07:07 AM »
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That could ship from anywhere... Where can I get a cable like that, or how do I build one, is there a cable 4000 video cable building URL..?

I also need a keyboard and mouse. The keyboard looks like PS/2, is that right?


Try amigakit.com for the mouse and db->hd vga adapter.

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Sorry, I am an Amiga newbie, my other machine is a 16 x 400MHz MIPS R12000 Onyx2 with 32Gb of RAM, DIVO/Genlock/etc and lots of separate disk arrays and JBOD disks, but I have another 8 CPUs coming in the mail.


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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2008, 08:05:46 AM »
@4kToaster

How do you plan to use your A4000? If you only want to play games on it from yester-year, you could get away with a TV modulator (aka the A520) easily obtainable from eBay. These take the Amiga's analogue RGB and output a (crappy) composite signal. There are mods on the internet that upgarde this to S-Video output, for a sharper image, useful for todays TVs. An Alternative to TV/modulator is one of the traditional Commodore 1080/1081/1084/1084s monitors which feature in almost all Amiga print or film/video advertising. These run at 15kHz and will probably leave you wondering if you have tinnitus   :-D

If you want to use it with a standard PC monitor, you should keep in mind that the A4000 (or AGA Chipset) can only 'promote' certain display modes to a VGA compatible (31kHz) signal (and those usually only after workbench is up and running). If you want to run any of the more common Amiga display modes (eg during boot, or playing games etc), you'll need a scan doubler (SD), which preferably is also a flicker fixer (FF).

I believe the best way is to get a SD/FF and use it in combination with an LCD TV which has both RGB or S-Video 15 kHz in and VGA in. That way you only need one display, and you switch between the inputs on the LCD TV.

The AGA chipset is 'limited' to 256 colours from ~16-million when NOT using the 'static' HAM modes (ie most games, workbench etc)so if you want hi-colour, another route you might take is to buy a (very expensive) ReTargetable Graphics (RTG) video card. Names such as Picasso, GVP EGS Spectrum, and CyberVision are all included in this group. They are basically 'PC' video chipsets that allow Amigas to use hi-colour displays for the workbench environment (using a feature of WB3.x and above, and a relevant driver). Some of the better cards include a SD/FF, while most (all?) of the others include a pass-thru port. This allows 'multi-sync' monitors which are capable of displaying 15kHz - 31kHz images (see below for a couple of models) to use just a single port, or to pass in a scan doubled signal from a separate SD/FF, which can then also display on just one monitor.

A final alternative is to mod your A4000 and put it in a tower, then buy an after-market PCI busboard and use PCI display cards, such as the venerable 3Dfx VooDoo cards or ATi Radeon 9000 series cards, and some others. This is even more expensive, as the custom case and PCI busboard are usually around $Aus500 each, and you'd still want a SD/FF as these PCI cards only 'work' once workbench is running and the drivers are loaded. On the other had, this allows you to use more commonly available PCI cards like 10/100 NICs and TV Tuner cards, and NOT have to go hunting around for the esoteric and uncommon (read: very expensive) Amiga specific hardware. (Edit: You cn get a PCI busboard which fits into the A4000 desktop case, negating the need for an expensive custom tower case, but it's still expensive.) You may need a more powerful (custom/hacked) PSU for use with a PCI busboard and expansion cards also. Depending on what your Amiga has in it already, a CPU Upgrade (accelerator) might be necessary when using such a setup also.

A simple 23-pin <-> 15-pin converter won't do much for you, unless you have a monitor capable of 15kHz - 31kHz. Like the NEC 3D Multisync (and others in the family), the Commodore 1940/1942 or 1960 and others of their ilk.

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2008, 03:30:08 AM »
Thanks for all your help. My Amiga 4000 still hasn't arrived. Grrr.

I bought a AGA to SVGA adapater and a mouse from the place in the above link. The site did one or two quirky things but overall the transaction was fairly smooth. I missed a Commodore monitor locally on fleabay but I am sure another will turn up soon.

I don't like the idea of modding stuff to look like a PC.
I hate PCs, Microslop, I mean Winblows, I mean... even more so.. I would go the custom tower case as a last resort. That is one nice thing about about my other machine no one mistakes it for a PC, they just back out of the room slowly.It is up to 24 CPUs and 38400Mb (37.5Gb) of RAM.
(www.pymblesoftware.com/onyx2.html) Don't drool too much I don't own it, it owns me, and I am always working on it.I am sitting infront of 24 idle CPU meters and another 8 idle CPU meters on the 8 process Origin 300 (8Gb RAM) thinking ... I should stop surfing and go render something..

Seems like the Amiga clubs in NSW are dead, all the links and emails either bounce or are incorrect. Good to see at least one person into Amiga stuff in WA.



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Amiga 4000 CD-ROM PAL-SECAM 240v
24 x MIPS CPUs Onyx2 37.5 Gb RAM DIVO/Genlock and about four racks including 12 x R14000 CPU o300, MountainGate SCSI S-VHS, fiberchannel, SAS, craylink, gigachannel, ccNUMAlink, etc.. and stuff scrounged from local studios, TV Film and Radio school

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2008, 04:11:44 AM »
There a few of us around mate...  :-D
What roms u got in ur A4000?
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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2008, 08:17:46 AM »
Hi 4kToaster.

Welcome, I am in Melbourne.

my 4000D has an Arxon Scandoubler (32bit) driving a DiamondMax SVGA monitor that can sync down to 31Khz, and plays games quite nicely.

I was recently tipped off to this little gizmo, that apparently Scandoubles, and Flicker Fixes (Deinterlace) but I have not yet decided if i can afford it (cash strapped).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260223544677&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching

Looking at it, you will still need a DB9-DB15 converter.
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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2008, 08:24:53 AM »
Cool Thanks.

The A4000 should be here very soon and I will test with what I have but I might watch that item too. They have more than 90 of them. See how things go and if I get one of these I will let you know how well it works.

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Amiga 4000 CD-ROM PAL-SECAM 240v
24 x MIPS CPUs Onyx2 37.5 Gb RAM DIVO/Genlock and about four racks including 12 x R14000 CPU o300, MountainGate SCSI S-VHS, fiberchannel, SAS, craylink, gigachannel, ccNUMAlink, etc.. and stuff scrounged from local studios, TV Film and Radio school

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2008, 08:43:41 AM »
where did you buy your a4000 from ?

I don't want to ruin your party, but if you think a second hand machine that's 15 years old will work out of the box right away you're too optimistic. there are some common failure points with a4000, leaked/leaking battery, leaking smd caps, broken ram clips. If you can't get your a4000 working when you get it, let us know what's wrong with it.
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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2008, 09:23:21 AM »
The same guy who sold me 4 of my MIPS r12k dual CPU node boards... Just this motorcycle mechanic type dude in the Carolinas state-side.

Have you ever spent a whole day soldering, testing, soldering testing, soldering testing, the 9 fan module on the bottom a 1998-ish Onyx2 ...? Tried to figure out which way is up when trying to build a hyper-cube with Craylink cables... Look at my link in the above post, in November when I bought it, that puppy had 4 CPUs, 5Gb of RAM and a single connection from one xtown to one port on the ktown in the Infinite Reality3.Now it has 24 CPUs, 37Gb of RAM and 2 graphic pipes.. Can you imagine the amount of coarse language, saulking and soldering involved...?

I want to believe the caps have held, the battery hasn't leaked and I will just kick it into life. Let me have my delusions until the box gets here.


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Amiga 4000 VideoToaster NTSC 110v
Amiga 4000 CD-ROM PAL-SECAM 240v
24 x MIPS CPUs Onyx2 37.5 Gb RAM DIVO/Genlock and about four racks including 12 x R14000 CPU o300, MountainGate SCSI S-VHS, fiberchannel, SAS, craylink, gigachannel, ccNUMAlink, etc.. and stuff scrounged from local studios, TV Film and Radio school

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 02:51:07 AM »
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whiteb wrote:

I was recently tipped off to this little gizmo, that apparently Scandoubles, and Flicker Fixes (Deinterlace) but I have not yet decided if i can afford it (cash strapped).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260223544677&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching

Looking at it, you will still need a DB9-DB15 converter.


Toaster,

The cable that comes with it looks like it does component too, not RGB. This will also be additional.

I'd recommend you buy a video card for the Amy, either the Picasso IV or an Arxon. Then you can just chuck on a cheapo VGA.
 

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 09:57:38 AM »
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jabsy wrote:
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whiteb wrote:

I was recently tipped off to this little gizmo, that apparently Scandoubles, and Flicker Fixes (Deinterlace) but I have not yet decided if i can afford it (cash strapped).

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260223544677&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching

Looking at it, you will still need a DB9-DB15 converter.


Toaster,

The cable that comes with it looks like it does component too, not RGB. This will also be additional.

I'd recommend you buy a video card for the Amy, either the Picasso IV or an Arxon. Then you can just chuck on a cheapo VGA.



Cool. Thanks. I will have to look for those cards.

... as I told the seller.
I got a 240V to 120V converter. Plugged it in and it did stuff.
Plugged several different monitors all of them say "sync out of range" and shutdown. Every few seconds it flashes the 3 LEDs on the keyboard like it is waiting for something... Maybe the kickstart disk.

I haven't had a chance to do much with the Amiga, I have been working on my 1.45GHz PowerPC pSeries 9114-275... I swear to god I am sooo sick of working on it. Its a beast compared to SGIs, HP-UX, Alphas and SUNs.

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Amiga 4000 VideoToaster NTSC 110v
Amiga 4000 CD-ROM PAL-SECAM 240v
24 x MIPS CPUs Onyx2 37.5 Gb RAM DIVO/Genlock and about four racks including 12 x R14000 CPU o300, MountainGate SCSI S-VHS, fiberchannel, SAS, craylink, gigachannel, ccNUMAlink, etc.. and stuff scrounged from local studios, TV Film and Radio school

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Re: WTB: 4000 monitor (Australia)
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2009, 08:28:25 AM »
I got a A520 from fleabay..

The thing is, it seems to be grey scale and I have run a portable DVD player on that monitor (in colour) so...

I posted a photo of it on another unrelated to Amiga forum:
http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16720457

Nekochan.net

I will start reading the posts here and learn much about the machine as I can..

I think I have a dead keyboard or the keyboard I got is probably from an Amiga 2000, 3000 or something...

Anyway, the keyboard does nothing... But it does have Amiga keys on on it..
Plug a PC keyboard in and I get same character repeated like a bad mapping... I think the Amiga compiler floppys actually work. Haven't installed anything yet but I could read the disk..

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Amiga 4000 VideoToaster NTSC 110v
Amiga 4000 CD-ROM PAL-SECAM 240v
24 x MIPS CPUs Onyx2 37.5 Gb RAM DIVO/Genlock and about four racks including 12 x R14000 CPU o300, MountainGate SCSI S-VHS, fiberchannel, SAS, craylink, gigachannel, ccNUMAlink, etc.. and stuff scrounged from local studios, TV Film and Radio school

http://pymblesoftware.com/store/index.php/systems/amiga.html