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Old 01-08-2008, 12:25 PM   #1
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Default X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
My X-Surf won't see any hard disks connected to it. I've tried an IDE Compact Flash adapter with a 4GB card and that didn't show in HDToolBox, and neither did a 250GB IDE hard disk which I connected as a test. I connected a DVD-ROM drive and was able to mount it, although it wouldn't recognise when a disk was inserted, but ISTR having the same problem with that drive when connected to the internal IDE interface.

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Old 01-08-2008, 12:47 PM   #2
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
You do have xsurfide and xsurfide.info in sys:expansion, right? (Loads with C:BindDrivers)
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:48 PM   #3
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
Yes, they are in there.

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Old 01-08-2008, 01:09 PM   #4
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
In the past I have been unsuccessful in getting the X-Surf IDE ports to recognize a CF card adapter and some large capacity hard drives.

ISTR that the built-in scsi.device in the A4000 saw the at least one of the X-Surf's IDE ports, so allowing the scsi.device patch in SetPatch would be beneficial.
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:22 PM   #5
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
@LoadWB
Not sure what you mean. Is scsi.device required for xsurf_atapi.device to work?

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Old 01-08-2008, 02:32 PM   #6
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks

xsurf_atapi.device only sees atapi devices (CD-ROM etc.)

XsurfIDE adds both, xsurf_atapi.device and scsi.device (or 2nd.scsi.device or 3rd.scsi.device or 4th.scsi.device, whichever is not yet used by other controllers).

To see a harddrive on the X-Surf, you should scan scsi.device. AFAIK HDToolbox searches the 2nd, 3rd etc. variants automatically.

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Old 01-08-2008, 02:35 PM   #7
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
Thanks Thomas, I will give that a try. That would also explain why I've got a scsi.device available even though I have removed it from my Kickstart - presumably the one I can see is the X-Surf.

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Old 01-08-2008, 03:02 PM   #8
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
Hmm, if I select scsi.device in HDToolBox, it either quits HDToolBox, returns me to the list of devices, or shows a blank device list. I tried MountDos with the following commands:

MountDos DEVICE scsi.device UNIT 0 LIST

and it said it couldn't open scsi.device unit 0. The Amiga's internal IDE interface is removed from Kickstart and there are no other devices (2nd.scsi.device...) so I can only assume scsi.device refers to the X-Surf.

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Is it possible SetPatch is patching the X-Surf's scsi.device because it thinks it is the A4000's IDE interface, and this is screwing up the device?
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Old 01-08-2008, 04:56 PM   #9
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
By design (very simple design ;-)) the x-surf IDE ports only works with some (a few) IDE Hard Disks. If I remember well what is written in the X-Surf "manual ()" it's a timing issue.

HDtoolbox should show you a list of devices availlable if you set the "ASKDEVICE" tooltype in its icon. so you should see both x-surfide.device and x-surfatapi.device if the binddrivers have been succesfull. :-)
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:04 AM   #10
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
x-surfide.device? I thought it was scsi.device or 2nd.scsi.device? Now I'm really confused!

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Old 01-09-2008, 02:11 AM   #11
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
just run sysinfo motorolin, and see the names of the devices present in your setup...
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:21 AM   #12
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
Oh good idea Keropi, thanks. I was trying to remember the application which does that :-) Will give it a try when the office is free again.

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Old 01-09-2008, 04:36 AM   #13
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
Ok here is what SysInfo reported on the devices tab (obvious incorrect ones included for completion)

gameport
timer
keyboard
input
ramdrive
trackdisk
console
cybppc
scsi
xsurf_atapi
netinfo
x-surf


I wanted to find out if scsi.device is the Amiga's IDE interface or the x-surf. So I cold booted with no startup-sequence, ran SetPatch, then checked SysInfo and there was no scsi.device (to be expected because it doesn't exist in my KickFlash). I then ran binddrivers checked SysInfo again, and xsurf_atapi.device and scsi.device had appeared, so I think that scsi.device is the x-surf. But it still doesn't recognise any hard disks attached :-(

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Old 01-09-2008, 06:27 AM   #14
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here i have

2nd.scsi.device ver 104.16 (the xsurf one)

xsurf_atapi.device ver. 120.5 (xsurf for cdrom and such)

do from shell

version scsi.device full

and you will get what is seen onto your system.

10/0.AmigaOS:> Version 2nd.scsi.device full
2nd.scsi.device 104.16 ( 3-Lug-2000)
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Old 01-09-2008, 09:37 AM   #15
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Default Re: X-Surf IDE interface and hard disks
I forgot to mention that I checked the version of scsi.device and it is 104.16, which backs up the theory that this is in fact the X-Surf. Maybe the X-Surf doesn't like scsi.device not being there :-?

I'm not having a good retro computing day :-(

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