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Old 10-03-2007, 12:05 PM   #21
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Default Re: OS4 on classic updates

I think new PPC accelerators for Classic Amigas would sell and help sell the OS. Plenty people still like to use the classic to run that old software/WHDLoad at the same time as newer stuff. I know I wouldn't buy another machine just for wordprocessing /internet, for that I already have a PC, but the classic has that special feeling
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:21 PM   #22
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as far as buying it do a poll....I'm in within the next 48hrs i know it would be up to 500 or so! I personally think it is coming just chill and wait
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:49 PM   #23
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I'm buying it for sure, "if/when..?". This dead-end talk is a bunch of cr*p. There can't be any clearer "dead end" than buying a PC. On almost any day I could find 3, 4, 5 year-old PCs piled up on sidewalks in the garbage. Thanks to obsolescence "built in", getting a PC is guaranteed fast-track to a dead end. PCs really are fast -- the fastest way to lose your investment.

Like pretty much everyone else, I use PCs all the time. I just view them as disposable commodities, the actual data being the only thing of value. Amiga hardware at least retains some if not all of its value.
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Old 10-23-2007, 10:35 PM   #24
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Any updates now we know its coming? What im asking about is software not hardware compatability. IP stack? DVD player? Browser? anything else?
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:40 PM   #25
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Any updates now we know its coming? What im asking about is software not hardware compatability. IP stack? DVD player? Browser? anything else?
It's funny you mention those particular things, because they're catered for. OS4 comes with a TCP/IP stack, an OEM version of DVplayer (to play dvds), and an OEM version of IBrowse. DVplayer is restricted to not be able to change skins or play AVI files, and IBrowse is restricted in some way I believe. I think it may be restricted to one browser tab. But there are no demo timeouts.
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:27 AM   #26
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Will it be possible to use whdload or classic demos/games somehow on os4classic?
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:43 AM   #27
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AFAIK os4 classic can use the AGA chips. Even u can use your os4 on an AGA screen. (of course a gfx card recommended.)
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:51 AM   #28
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But the 68k is emulated ? And all old stuff works ?
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:04 AM   #29
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But the 68k is emulated ? And all old stuff works ?
Why would it be emulated? This is OS4 for CLASSIC, i.e. amigas that have a 68k cpu. In fact since it's for CLASSIC and requires a PPC chip there must be a 68040 or 68060 on board the PPC accelerator as well.

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Old 10-24-2007, 02:10 AM   #30
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Yeah, nothing would be better. But I would like this confirmed 100%.

Will whdload still work in Os4 ? And demos ? If it is, im buying for
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:35 AM   #31
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@AJCopland

680x0 *IS* emulated. In fact, thanks to the JIT emulator, 040 users will notice that 68k apps run much, much faster. If you add that 98% of the OS is native PPC code you get a huge speed up.

You can also use simple skins like the used on OS3.x and you will notice the speed even more.

OS4 for Classic is more or less the same as the A1 version but with different drivers
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:37 AM   #32
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@krize

WHDLoad won't work. But you can reboot to OS3.x to launch your game easily.

Demos probably not, but depends on the OS-friendliness of the demo.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:40 AM   #33
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Why would it be emulated? This is OS4 for CLASSIC, i.e. amigas that have a 68k cpu. In fact since it's for CLASSIC and requires a PPC chip there must be a 68040 or 68060 on board the PPC accelerator as well.
No, the 68k cpu IS emulated. I think they said something about "turning off" the 68k, as it made the PPC even faster. I'm not sure about the technical details though.

--EDIT: I've been informed on IRC that this is actually quite silly. I think the quote I half remembered was actually referring to the lack of context switches between 68k and PPC.

But the 68k emulation is reportedly very fast. Usually faster than an 060 on a CSPPC.. (of course speed will vary between different applications).

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Old 10-24-2007, 02:44 AM   #34
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This is what I thought, ofcourse Thanks guys.

Running a dual boot machine would be fun though, lets hope it get
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And os friendly demo ? Very few hehe
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:03 AM   #35
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Wow that's crazy. Still fair enough, my mistake.

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Old 10-24-2007, 03:35 AM   #36
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Luckily I bought PPC and Mediator before this "new wave of AOS4 booom". Dunno will I ever get an AOS4 but dual boot might be cool for start.

If classic hardware is emulated completly (where not using the real hw) and fast enough there is no reason to use AOS3.9 anymore then, is there? Still I doubt that all games and stuff would work perfectly on AOS4.

BTW. Acube & Hyperion seem to advertise AOS4.0 just for A3000 and A4000 amigas (http://www.acube-systems.com/compatibility/) . Is this some kind of sick A1200 racism or does A1200 really have so serious compatibility / performance issues???
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:55 AM   #37
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In fact since it's for CLASSIC and requires a PPC chip there must be a 68040 or 68060 on board the PPC accelerator as well.
Hmmmm - I'm sure should the Elbox SharkPPC ever see the light, it will come with no 68k CPU - just PPC...
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