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[uncharted]

How does not wearing any underwear help?

You've obviously never seen Carry On Up The Khyber

[Karlos]

uncharted wrote:

You've obviously never seen Carry On Up The Khyber

Actually I have. I forgot about that

[Karlos]

Wilse wrote:

Apparently it's now only called terrorism if a muslim does it.

Well, I hate to say it but there are a minority of muslims who seem to delight in making it easy to use the majority as a scapegoat.

Nobody media-wise is remotely interested in relaying the views of the average normal muslim since the aforementioned loudmouth nutjob percentile make much more interesting viewing. Consequently, a reasonable proportion of the population believes their view is the common one amongst muslims, which makes it easier to single them out as the cause of all our problems and revise security legislation. This in turn leads to increased feelings of persecution and alienation which in turn feeds the original nutters.

A nice vicious circle that's terribly convenient for all involved, except the normal person on the street, muslim or otherwise.

[cecilia]

a friend sent me this article from Glasgow.


The Scottish Parliament is to recognise the members of the public who went to the aid of the solitary, unarmed police officer on duty at Glasgow airport when a Jeep was driven into the airport's main terminal building and set on fire on 30 June. Those involved (they included an off-dury policeman and a baggage handler on a cigarette break) are to be invited to an official reception in Glasgow hosted by First Minister Alex Salmond. The First Minister commented that medals and honours were not a devolved matter - but acknowledging people's role in coming forward to deal - effectively - with the suspected car bomb attempt was something he would do. One of those involved suffered a broken leg and ended up in the same hospital as one of the attackers. John Smeaton, a baggage handler who had "got stuck in" to the terrorists amid the flames and minor explosions, became an overnight celebrity as he animatedly described in televised interviews his role in the incident. In typical west of Scotland fashion he recounted how "me and other folk were just tryin' tae get the boot in and some other guy banjoed him!" When an ITV news reporter asked him "What message do you have for the bombers?" he replied "This is Glesca - we'll just set aboot ye".

[metalman]

Karlos wrote:

Well, I hate to say it but there are a minority of muslims who seem to delight in making it easy to use the majority as a scapegoat.

The tiny minority intimidates into silence those who disagree.

Britain's first Muslim MP to stand down after death threats

and

Jamal Miftah wrote this editorial in the Tulsa World condemning Al Qaeda and calling on fellow Muslims to reject terrorism.

He was then kicked out of the local mosque and threatened with violence by several members.

Tulsa World, Oct. 29 2006

Message of Islam is not jihad, fatwahs

By Jamal Miftah.

I moved to the United States in March 2003, with my four kids and wife from Pakistan bordering Afghanistan. There was a call by a local jihadi organization to fight the coalition forces in Afghanistan. One of my dearest friends, Mirza Kohistani, fell prey to that call and joined the group, despite my advice and that of his wife to him.

All the leaders of that organization returned safely after the fall of the Taliban empire, but they left behind the body of my friend and hundreds of other innocent people like him.

I am obliged to respond to Ayman al-Zawahri's recent video message, portraying himself as champion of Islam and others as liars.

My message to Ayman al-Zawahri and Muslims of the world: "Islam" means submission and is derived from a word meaning "peace." Islam, Christianity and Judaism have the same origin, the Prophet Abraham. The prophet of Islam has said that God has no mercy on someone who does not have mercy for others.

I ask that al-Zawahri look at his deeds and those of his master, Osama bin Laden, and other so-called Islamic jihadists.

Because of lack of knowledge of Islam, Muslim youth are misguided into believing by the so-called champions of the cause of Islam that the current spate of killings and barbarism, which has no equal in the recent civilized history, is jihad in the name of Islam. They are incited, in the name of Islam, to commit heinous crimes not pardonable by any religion and strictly forbidden in Islam.

Cowards like al-Zawahri and bin Laden are inciting the ignorant and innocent youths to commit suicide bombings to kill innocent civilians including children, women and the elderly, while they hide in spider holes and caves. They never send their own sons and daughters, born out of half a dozen of their wives, to get killed in the name of Islam. They are themselves hypocrits, cowards, thugs and liars. For 12 years they misappropriated aid received from the U.S. and the West to fight Russia. Now they are ensuring smooth flow of petro dollars from Arab countries in the name of jihad against the West.

Even mosques and Islamic institutions in the U.S. and around the world have become tools in their hands and are used for collecting funds for their criminal acts. Half of the funds collected go into the pockets of their local agents and the rest are sent to these thugs.

They are the reason for branding the peaceful religion of Islam as terrorism. The result, therefore, is in the form of Danish cartoons and remarks/reference by the Pope.

I appeal to the Muslim youth in particular and Muslims of the world in general to rise up and start jihad against the killers of humanity and help the civilized world to bring these culprits to justice and prove that Islam is not a religion of hatred and aggression.

I appeal to the Muslim clerics around the world that, rather than issuing empty fatwas condemning suicide bombing, they should issue a fatwa for the death of such scoundrels and barbarians who have taken more than 4,267 lives of innocent people in the name of Islam and have carried out more than 24 terrorist attacks on civilian installations throughout the world. This does not include the chilling number of deaths because of such activities in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is well over 250,000.

I appeal to al-Zawahri and his band of thugs to hand themselves over to justice and stop spreading evil and killing innocent humans around the world in the name of Islam. Their time is limited and Muslims of the world will soon rise against them to apprehend them and bring them to justice.

Interview with Miftah over threats

[Karlos]

The tiny minority intimidates into silence those who disagree.

That's true in general and it operates at many levels in society.

He was then kicked out of the local mosque and threatened with violence by several members.

I can well imagine. A lot of the time in the UK, mosques are run by unelected committees, even the imam is often powerless. If he disagrees, he's out of a job. I can't imagine it's exactly difficult for people of ill intent to get a foothold in such circumstances and take over.

At the same time, there is a degree of ignorance about this situation amongst the community at large. Some will listen to whatever they are told at the mosque, without question. If you disagree, it's considered dissent.

IMHO, the main problem for muslims is that we presently live in what I can only describe as an Islamic dark age. Many people have forgotten how to question and those that haven't are often afraid to do so.

It can't last indefinately though.

[CannonFodder]

It can't last indefinately though.

Why?

[Karlos]

CannonFodder wrote:

Why?

Simple. Nothing in human society ever remains completely static. There are periods of equilibrium and periods of change.

[CannonFodder]

Karlos wrote:

Simple. Nothing in human society ever remains completely static. There are periods of equilibrium and periods of change.

So how long do you estimate before we can all stop worrying about being blown to bits by every bearded brown bloke we see with a rucksack?

[Karlos]

CannonFodder wrote:

So how long do you estimate before we can all stop worrying about being blown to bits by every bearded brown bloke we see with a rucksack?

If you actually have that particular fear, I guess never. Still flinch at the sound of an Irish accent?

[CannonFodder]

Karlos wrote:

If you actually have that particular fear, I guess never.

Is that a subtle hint or a veiled warning?

[Karlos]

I'm trying to say that not worrying about something comes from within, not in response to circumstances. If you are inherently alarmed by "bearded brown blokes" you'll only stop when either there aren't any left or when you grow out of the fixation that they all must be suicide-bomber wannabes.

Assuming you don't take the latter route, you'll probably never stop worrying either, simply because you've no assurance that further "bearded brown blokes" will show up in future.

[CannonFodder]

Karlos wrote:
I'm trying to say that not worrying about something comes from within, not in response to circumstances. If you are inherently alarmed by "bearded brown blokes" you'll only stop when either there aren't any left or when you grow out of the fixation that they all must be suicide-bomber wannabes.

Assuming you don't take the latter route, you'll probably never stop worrying either, simply because you've no assurance that further "bearded brown blokes" will show up in future.

Well if bearded brown blokes hadn't taken to carrying explosives in their rucksacks and blowing innocent people up I wouldn't have to worry about them in the first place!

[Karlos]

Well if bearded brown blokes hadn't taken to carrying explosives in their rucksacks and blowing innocent people up I wouldn't have to worry about them in the first place!

Perfectly innocent people are killed all the time in all sorts of circumstances. Wether they be victims of crime, terrorism, war or even simple misadventure.

You must be a complete neurotic mess if you worry about each guise death may take.

[CannonFodder]

Karlos wrote:

Perfectly innocent people are killed all the time in all sorts of circumstances. Wether they be victims of crime, terrorism, war or even simple misadventure.

You must be a complete neurotic mess if you worry about each guise death may take.

I shouldn't have to worry about it, but I am. Which is 100% the fault of Muslims.

Live by the sword die by the sword it seems.