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Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« on: June 25, 2002, 04:46:04 PM »
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"Microsoft wants to change the fundamental architecture of the PC, adding security hardware prior to the release of the next generation of its Windows operating system around 2004, according to a media report and an analyst briefed by the company."


Though this might make an interesting convosation. Now that MS looks at doing this, Amiga and Mac computers wont look any different to people wanting sometype of OS to run on their computers. This should prolly open up the Amiga Community a little more to people developing hardware (if it was really ever that closed).

Sorry, i ment to include the news item, forgot...

[ Edited by Rodney on 2002/6/26 0:46:57 ]

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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2002, 04:52:10 PM »
Those bastards!!! They're copying Amiga again!!!
 :-D  :-D  :-D

If this is true, I hope Apple will port OSX to PC.
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2002, 04:54:28 PM »
Can you provide a link to that news item please.

Interesting! :-o
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2002, 05:57:37 PM »
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GadgetMaster wrote:
Can you provide a link to that news item please.

Try this one: The Register.
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2002, 06:25:09 PM »
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Try this one: The Register.


Thanks for the link.

Hmm ! I wonder if all this digital rights malarky is just a step closer to the Orwellian Big Brother Theory.

Anyway, Bill G haven't you got enough money already why not give someone else a chance to make it big. :-x
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2002, 06:29:41 PM »
At the moment I am digging into the world of software licenses. Boy oh boy, we are so much being screwed. Unbelievable what software houses can do to you.

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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2002, 11:59:27 PM »
Hmm, interesting, I'll have to make sure I get a PC before MS does this. Thx 4 the head up
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2002, 12:18:17 AM »
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While most talk of DRM revolves around music, Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates sees it as more useful for controlling e-mail: Palladium could be used to limit forwarding of messages, or to make them unreadable after a certain time interval has elapsed, the Newsweek report said.


Great, so do I read this that they will be able to stop me from reading my emails after a certain elapsed time? Or stop me from forwarding an email to all my friends because it exceeds the maximum number of people 'they' think i should send too?

Big Brother here we come...

Of course I could just be very paranoid! :lol:
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2002, 12:31:38 AM »
OK, if Amiga want to put a chip in my computer to prevent almost ( this was NOT a flame bait ) non-existent piracy - Fine!
But when companies like MS tries to pull off a stunt like this...
I don't even want to know how many OEM PC buyers who will have their computers "controlled " like this.
I see an alternate life ahead of me...
Alternate OS's, that is!!! :-)

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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2002, 12:37:11 AM »
Yet another reason to buy A1/OS4.0. At least Amiga's security measures WILL NOT include spyware like XP! XP already marries itself to the hardware. Change a ****ing modem or vieo card and you have to call M$ for permission.

Screw M$! And some of you think $50 is too much for a voucher. Ever seen the price of non-OEM XP? I mean store bought full version XP? Try the $300USD range.

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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2002, 02:30:00 PM »
I could get it for ya for free if ya pay P&P... :-P
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2002, 03:33:30 AM »
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Great, so do I read this that they will be able to stop me from reading my emails after a certain elapsed time?


The way I read it Billy G. just liked the idea so that his secret emails about crushing any competition couldn't be fowarded to the police. Or he could just wrangle the law untill the mails were unreadable.

Pritty stupid thinking here's a few ways around OFTOMH:

1) Cut and Paste
2) Print Out
3) Hack/Crack/Break/"Fix" the little bugger
4) Just got to have it fowarded to one machine withough the little bugger and POW! No security

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Personally I like how it will be shipped "with bugs", and how any bugs will make it unusable.

!! It looks like were all safe !! With MS in charge it will never work  :-D   :-P
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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2002, 04:54:21 AM »
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"As such, Palladium "is a very clever system," Reynolds said. "You can't crack it in the conventional sense."

"Conventional cracking of the technology would be difficult because when an attacker tries to forge or attack the digital signatures used in the authentication component, the nub loses its encryption keys, making the system unable to communicate, he said."

""It's not impossible [to crack]," but it would likely have to be done one machine at a time and in hardware, rather than software, Reynolds said."


Looks as if the console mod chip makers will be looking forward to this then! :-D

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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2002, 01:00:17 AM »
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The way I read it Billy G. just liked the idea so that his secret emails about crushing any competition couldn't be fowarded to the police. Or he could just wrangle the law untill the mails were unreadable.


Interestingly, Lotus Notes already has an option to prevent forwarding and expire email after a certain date (I've never tried the "expire" thing so I'm not sure how it works - however I suspect it is advisory rather than trashing the email after that date).  As you rightly point out, the forwarding can be resolved by copy & paste (I think printing is blocked, presumably they could block copy&paste as well although it is still active), and "reply with history" still works IIRC - after which you can change the address you are sending to.  It is more to suggest to the recipiant that they shouldn't be forwarding the message around, rather than to stop them - there is always a way around something, and a screengrab cannot be stopped :-)

Plus I haven't seen the world collapse through the introduction of this feature, although M$ are likely to implement it in the most annoying way possible.

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Re: Microsoft Plans Security Chip for Windows Longhorn
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2002, 10:48:52 PM »
Just another link that goes with the topic.

And btw, some of these functions are already in XP
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