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[CannonFodder]

xeron wrote:
Nice try. They're the Amiga ports of NetBSD and OpenBSD. Thats still not quite the same as "Amiga Research Operating System". If that was valid, then anyone could call their operating system "AmigaOS".

If you're so sure that its fine, prove it by releasing a fork of ReactOS called "Microsoft Research Windows" and see how long you last.

Or, why not try and sell PCs as "Sony Research Playstation 3"?

Or maybe buy a truck load of unbranded TV sets from the far east and sell them as "Sony Research Bravias"?

Why do you care?

[itix]

So is that why it originally stood for Amiga Replacement Operating System?

Humm, dunno. I didnt know it was a "replacement" in the past. Though, Amiga can meam both Amiga computers and its operating system. If you ask me I read it as "replacement OS for Amiga" ;-)

[bhoggett]

xeron wrote:
... as an example, do you think Apple would be happy if I wrote an OS X compatible system called "Mac Research OS X"?

or Microsoft would allow "Microsoft Windows Research Vista"? Come on, they sued over "Lindows"!

This is all true, but...

Whereas Windows and OS X are valuable trademarks associated with successful products, the Amiga link has become a laughable reference and something most sensible projects would want to stay well away from. All contemporary "Amiga" connotations are negative and to find anything positive to relate to people have to think back 16 years or so.

It's all pretty childish. Lots of litigation and expenditure over something that in reality has f*** all true value these days. Amiga Inc are still passing themselves off as "innovators" and what have you, but let's face it, ten minutes research can prove that's a big fat lie even to the most uninitiated.

As for Hyperion, they're just one of the many "Shady-Deals-R-Us" companies that have plagued the Amiga scene for over a decade now.

What's the point of it all, and why do people still care about these spats between clowns and losers any more?

AROS did the right thing in changing their name - it should have been done ages ago. Not because of legal threats, but because it's not really relevant any more and a millstone around their necks.

[itix]

Nice try. They're the Amiga ports of NetBSD and OpenBSD. Thats still not quite the same as "Amiga Research Operating System". If that was valid, then anyone could call their operating system "AmigaOS".

Please remember "AmigaOS" trademark was crafted in late 90s. Commodore never called it AmigaOS. It was nameless until modern times.

Or, why not try and sell PCs as "Sony Research Playstation 3"?

I think proper example would be "Playstation Research Operating System".

You should not use Amiga OS -> Amiga "R" OS intuition, it just is not right.

[dammy]

Update can be found here.

Dammy

[xeron]

CannonFodder wrote:
Why do you care?

I'm just playing devils advocate and putting forward a reason why Evert would say what he did in that email.

[CannonFodder]

xeron wrote:

I'm just playing devils advocate and putting forward a reason why Evert would say what he did in that email.

Sorry, I thought you were riled up about it.

My bad. :-)

[guru-666]

better question, why does ANYBODY care?

[adz]

Having spent many years browsing various forums throughout the WWW, I've never come across one that contains so many instances of the following words:

legal
illlegal
legally

I dare say a.org contains more instances than the teamspace of a major law firm. Where does the Amiga community get this "holier than thou" approach to just about everything, be it the 1000 odd "backups" someone might have in their basement or the tit for tat battle over the Amiga name itself. I came to this site to talk about Amigas, if I want courtroom action filled with oodles of boring litigation, I'll watch Judge Judy.

[CannonFodder]

adz wrote:
Having spent many years browsing various forums throughout the WWW, I've never come across one that contains so many instances of the following words:

legal
illlegal
legally

I dare say a.org contains more instances than the teamspace of a major law firm. Where does the Amiga community get this "holier than thou" approach to just about everything, be it the 1000 odd "backups" someone might have in their basement or the tit for tat battle over the Amiga name itself. I came to this site to talk about Amigas, if I want courtroom action filled with oodles of boring litigation, I'll watch Judge Judy.

You think here is bad, BAFWorld and morons.net are much worse for sanctimonious self-righteous arm chair lawyering.

[pixie]

BAFworld and morons.net are today, one and and the same.. it's an auto-segregation thing

[uncharted]

guru-666 wrote:
better question, why does ANYBODY care?

Because no-one wants to see AROS get caught up in a bunch of legal BS, particularly if it is easily avoided in the first place.