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[uncharted]

Darrin, I don't understand. There is this "obvious solution" you mention in your first post. You won't state what it is. People have come to the obvious conclusion that the "obvious solution" is piracy, but that is somehow insulting and slanderous to you.

So if this proposed "solution" is not piracy, then what is it and what possible reason would you have for not stating it?

If the "solution" is in fact piracy then why are you so insulted by a statement of fact?

I can't see your logic.

[Darrin]

motorollin wrote:

And yet you had the audacity to accuse me of supporting the KKK. I see no purpose to continuing this conversation since you are clearly the type of person who lashes out at others with unfounded claims when your argument is disputed.

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moto

Good. Leave me to debate this with people who understand (or want to understand) what I'm saying.

Note: I said "I guess you support racism too as it's up to the BNP/KKK etc who they hate and don't hate."

Do you see the "I guess". Do you know the difference between a statement and suggestion? To you understand "context" and how it was used in the BNP/KKK remark? Obviously not.

Yes, it's better you leave while you're losing.

[motorollin]

Ok.

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moto

[Zac67]

@Darrin
Please go away, we've heard enough crap from you.

[Darrin]

uncharted wrote:
Darrin, I don't understand. There is this "obvious solution" you mention in your first post. You won't state what it is. People have come to the obvious conclusion that the "obvious solution" is piracy, but that is somehow insulting and slanderous to you.

So if this proposed "solution" is not piracy, then what is it and what possible reason would you have for not stating it?

If the "solution" is in fact piracy then why are you so insulted by a statement of fact?

I can't see your logic.

My solution is to obtain an unlocked version by whatever means necessary if CH refuses to register and unlock your copy on the grounds that you own an Elbox product.

I've already asked if "telling a fig" on the registration page will allow the stack to be used with the Mediator and nobody has answered yet. If the only solution is obtaining a key from another source then so be it. If person who does this doesn't want to be a "pirate" then they can do what I suggested and mail CH some cash in an unmarked envelope.

CH has engineered this problem himself. I'm just suggesting solutions. Personally, it doesn't affect me as I don't own anything that requires CH's stack to run. I'm just pissed off with the whole Amiga community attitude that allows instances like this to go unchallenged.

If CH has a problem with Elbox then he can put a "ELBOX SUCKS" banner at the top of his registration page along with an explaination of why he thinks they suck. Discriminating against certain Amiga users is not what I expect from a mature adult trying to run a business.

Let me just say a big "THANK YOU" for questioning my stance in a polite and civil manner. There are people on this thread that could learn a lot about debating by reading your posts.

[Darrin]

Zac67 wrote:
@Darrin
Please go away, we've heard enough crap from you.

I don't do requests and I'm entitled to post here as much as you are (within the guidelines).

[Kronos]

I somehow think you just don't (want to) get it:

Spider-users had the chance to register for quite a long time.

Chris made it clear that he wouldn't support the Spider forever.

Chris does make it clear that Poseidon can't be registered for the Spider anymore.

Elbox is still selling Spiders without telling their costumers that it can't be made useable.


It's like buying a "new" Amiga advertised as render-machine and than complaining at Maxon that the newest version of Cinema4D doesn't work on it ......

[Darrin]

Kronos wrote:
I somehow think you just don't (want to) get it:
Spider-users had the chance to register for quite a long time.
Chris made it clear that he wouldn't support the Spider forever.
Chris does make it clear that Poseidon can't be registered for the Spider anymore.
Elbox is still selling Spiders without telling their costumers that it can't be made useable.

Oh, I get it. However, the Spider is still available for sale and all the divers necessary for it already exist. Chris had just picked on the Spider to stop support for "personal issues". Why would anybody want to support Chris stack when there's always a chance that he'll have more "personal issues" with another company?

I agree (from looking at the site) that Elbox should make a note that CH is discriminating against their customers as it is an important fact.

It's like buying a "new" Amiga advertised as render-machine and than complaining at Maxon that the newest version of Cinema4D doesn't work on it ......

Not quite. The Spider used to work and there's no reason why it shouldn't continue to work with CH's stack other than CH himself. Nobody is asking him to write any drivers for it, but just accept money and send out a key file.

A small as this community is, I don't understand why people are putting personal feelings in the way of business (and I'm not just talking about USB here).

[utri007]

Nice to know that it's availlable.

But does anyone ever use this card ? is it good, does it work well and would there be any problems with micronic zorro extender?

[Kronos]

@Darrin

"Personal issues with a company" is quite correct.

Users who have bought the key before the fallout are still able to use the newest Poseidon with their Spiders.

Elbox does have options:
- release their own stack (allmost finished years ago they say ..)
- strike a deal with the Sirion author
- use the AROS-USB-stack (as minimal it may be)
- pull the Spider of the market (and optional allow OpenPCI to work on the Mediator, something you seem to ignore when handing out the blame)

But somehow they insist on listing a piece of SW not available for their HW !

Guys,

As you know, I'm probably the last person on the planet to want to discuss or allow piracy, but there have been some very valid observations made by others in this thread.

The Classic Amiga platform, for all intents and purposes is dead. We still love and enjoy them, but there is no, and will never be any new main hardware for them. Accordingly, no one is writing real software for them any more.

A product like MiamiDX represents a quandry, because in 2007, a computer pretty much has to have a protocol stack in order to be useable. Hell, even an original XBox has a protocol stack....

That leaves us with only a couple of options, both of which have literally been abandoned by the author and are now impossible to obtain legally.

As much as I despise the subject of piracy and will still not allow it openly on this site, there are simply some things which must be done in order for our machines to be usable. Proverbially speaking, we are the group stranded at the top of the mountain, freezing, and having to become cannibals to survive. There is no shame or dishonor in that, but again, it's NOT something you talk about publicly.

In the end, on this subject, both sides are right, and both are wrong.

To the people who accept the truth and advocate getting it by whatever means necessary, good for you, but stop advocating it publicly.

To the few self-appointed "piracy police" in this thread, you really need to take a step back, look at the bigger picture,and stop trying to control everyone else's life. No one made you sheriff. It's not your job to argue with others who have differing opinions, then whine to all the moderators when you don't get your way.

Officially speaking :

Amiga.org understands the current situation with the Amiga platform. If we COULD buy the software in question, we would be a staunch advocate for doing so. The problem is that some of these authors literally won't even respond to e-mails and won't take your money if you sent it.

Meanwhile the platform is being critically hampered by the situation. So in the end, in closing, and in short, if you need ABANDONED software and cannot otherwise get it legally, do what you gotta do, but Amiga.org is not the place for discussing it publicly.

That ladies and gents is my official say so on the matter.

Wayne

[JJ]

I requested a "Yawn" smiley for posts whenever glittering( paul gadd we suspect) pops up, think we have another reason to request a "Yawn" smilely.

[Glittering]

note by admin : Paul Gadd banned once again.

[Darrin]

Meanwhile the platform is being critically hampered by the situation. So in the end, in closing, and in short, if you need ABANDONED software and cannot otherwise get it legally, do what you gotta do, but Amiga.org is not the place for discussing it publicly.

That ladies and gents is my official say so on the matter.

Wayne

Point taken. You've managed to sum up what I was trying (and obviously failed) to convey. Sorry to anyone I managed to upset over that last few posts.

I'll refrain from commenting on this again and hopefully find a thread that we can all agree on like OS4 on the Efika.

Cheers

Darrin ;-)

[BR]

Darrin wrote:
My solution is to obtain an unlocked version by whatever means necessary if CH refuses to register and unlock your copy on the grounds that you own an Elbox product.

How about support for all users prior to and since the
controversy through a mediator, a neutral party. Someone
like AmigaKit come's to mind. A "go between" that could
handle the transactions allowing Mr. Hodge's to continue
to sell his software, which is why he made it, Elbox to
continue to sell Spider's, which is why they offer them,
eliminate the friction/disagreements that result from
direct contact between the 2, they both continue to profit
and the end user/customer isn't jammed in to the middle
of a situation he shouldn't be in in the first place?
Just a question/suggestion.
Bob Reising