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Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« on: May 11, 2003, 01:51:17 AM »
Hi all,

I'm doing a little research for a project that I'm working on. I'm interested to know if anybody here, who has a 3D card in their system (using a Warp3D v4 driver) would be able to run a small benchmarking utility for me.

It's 68K only, runs in a workbench window and times a series of calls to some warp3d drawing functions.

It requires a 3D card (evidently), Warp3D v4 (version 3 will not work) and either CybergraphX or Picasso96.

Its extraordinarily unexciting to watch and generates some textual output that I'm interested in.
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Before anybody agrees, please let me state that this is a devloper tool only and MAY HAVE BUGS, so please be advised VOLUNTEER AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!
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The usual disclaimers apply - if it blows up then it's not my fault...

Phew, it's getting serious

Not like me at all ;-)

Having said all that, it has sucessfully ran under three different configurations:

BVision Permedia2+CGX 4.2+ 040@25MHz

Mediator1200 PCI Voodoo3 + P96 + 040@25MHz

Mediator4000 PCI Voodoo5 + P96 + 060@50MHz

Getting back to the point, I'm most interested in results for the following combos:

A1200 derived systems:

BVision Permedia2 + CGX + 040@33MHz
BVision Permedia2 + CGX + 060@50MHz
BVision Permedia2 + CGX + 060@66MHz

Mediator1200 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 040@25MHz
Mediator1200 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 040@33MHz
Mediator1200 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 060@50MHz
Mediator1200 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 060@66MHz

A3K/4K derived systems:

CVision Permedia2 + CGX + 040@25MHz
CVision Permedia2 + CGX + 040@33MHz
CVision Permedia2 + CGX + 060@50MHz
CVision Permedia2 + CGX + 060@66MHz

Mediator 4000 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 040@25MHz
Mediator 4000 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 040@33MHz
Mediator 4000 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 060@50MHz
Mediator 4000 PCI Voodoo* + P96 + 060@66MHz

*any supported Voodoo chipset

If you can help, please send me an email and I can send you the program / instructions.

Once I gathered enough data I'll stick a message here...

Thanks for any help,

K
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2003, 01:12:53 PM »
Hi,

Could a guy named 'Steen' who emailed me about this please send his email address again, preferably in the message itself. For some reason your address didn't come with the message so I couldn't reply.

Thanks,

K
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2003, 05:58:07 PM »
*bump*

I just renamed this thread - any suitably equipped amiga will do as long as it has a 68040+ and 680x0 Warp3D drivers installed ;-)
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2003, 12:45:52 PM »
Hi Karlos

I have 60/50+BVision, but with old CGX - that came with BVision  (I guess its 3.9, or something like that).
You know me. :)

Cheers
Adam

P.S.: I have some problem with power. It's kind of unusual, as its awfull at the beginnning (about 20 minutes). During startup everything freezes before startus-sequence is finished. When it warms up (really - when I can feel the heat) - it starts working pretty stable, however it happend sometimes that it freezes. I'm bit affraid of rewiring mainbord, and am not sure which +5V is critical. The funny thing is that I've heard so many times the sentence 'problem with heat'. In my case I would say 'I have a problem with not enough heat soon enough' :)
But it could happen that my machine gets frozen before your tests are finished - if it uses hardware acceleration I guess the problem with power can be worse. :( By the way - mayby you coud advice me something in that case? Does connecting additional +5V to the floppy connector helps? Isn't it also too far from the expansion slot? Is it this critical +5V path? Thx.
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2003, 01:48:49 PM »
I used to get this, I think it turned out to be a software issue.  Actually I think there were two problems.

Both went away when I changed from CyberGraphX to Picasso96 and reconfigured Samba.

Now system boots every time!  :-)
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2003, 02:14:02 PM »
HI!

I have an A1200, 060@50 & Voodoo 3!
How can I serve you!? :hammer:
You can mail me directly (see profile).

@PiR: I had kinda the same difficulties and also with me Samba was the problem!!

Mendark

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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2003, 02:16:47 PM »
Me got 1200 with 040@40 (soldered in the oscillator, so no too easy to swap to other frequencies anymore, but it has been 25, 27.5, 30, 33 and now 40 at one time or another in its lifetime) and Voodoo 3 2000 PCI

Ain't booted it up in a while, but it's here at _work_ if I want to ;-)
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2003, 02:24:44 PM »
Hi PiR,

Wow, sounds like you got some problems there. First up, get CGX v4 if you can. Version 3 has lots of bugs. Also, there is a chance I got lazy and my code won't work with it anyway. Let me know if it complains/fails.

I have an 040/25 + BVision and a couple of cooling fans in the case - but not on the 040 (just a very big heat sink) - because the case design means a fan can't fit there.

Luckily, I managed to get the heatsink in thermal contact with the tower side panel which is 2mm thick aluminium and performs as an excellent passive cooler!

The 040 is even more power hungry than ther 060, but I don't get power problems. However do I feed power into the motherboard at two points, so that may help you too.

First up, I have all the required voltage rails (+12VDC, +5VDC, 0VDC, -12VDC) connected through the standard A1200 power connector.
The old A1200 PSU lead is connected to the tower PSU and fed though a hole in the back of the tower.
This one is essential as it's the only convienient place to feed the -12VDC rail you need for audio / serial.

Next up, I supply additional +5VDC and +12VDC (and the 0VDC rail) through the motherboard floppy connector. Lemme just take a look at it...



Aha...if you imagine the A1200 mobo in front of you such that the PCMCIA is on the left (like in the normal A1200 case), the +5VDC rail connects to the left hand pin of the floppy port. The two centre pins are 0VDC and the right hand one is +12VDC. These are fed from a standard IDE power cable from the PSU.

I mounted a power amplifer heatsink onto the Permedia2 (perfect fit!) and have a spare case cooling fan blowing air across the mobo/gfx card.

My machine is stable as a rock 99% of the time, except when I get tired whilst programming :-)

Hope this helps,

K
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2003, 03:13:35 PM »
Got an A3000 with CSPPC/CVPPC combo that can be of help perhaps?

Also got an A4000 wth Mediator 4000Di and Voodoo5 5500, however I havent managed to get this one working properly. Only manage to  get up 800x600 every now and then, most of the time everything is just garble. If I try something else than 800x600 I get black screen. more than 800x600, it even sometimes freezes completely) - but as I notice your software is tested on voodoo5 already.. any hint on getting it running?   :)
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2003, 03:49:47 PM »
pixeltest failed returncode -50659333

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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2003, 03:51:57 PM »
That means you have lost :-)

Better luck next time :=)

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2003, 04:01:11 PM »
Hehe, as in "Insert more coins", eh?

Dang, and I'm all out of coins :-)
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2003, 04:08:43 PM »
@Karlos @Tafka @Mendark:
Hundreds of thanks for help. :)

@Tafka @Mendark:
Standing alone, no network, no Samba.

@Tafka:
How can I swap to Picasso96? I thought that Picasso96 was just for different cards. Does it have driver for BVision?

@Karlos:
AFAIK starting from 4.0 CGX became different product, so I just have to buy a new one from vgr.com? But what makes me 'Merely Curious' is that if it's a BUG why didn't I get a single GURU?
I think that power consumption lowers when chips get warmer. The other clue is how the processor (either 68K or PPC) behaves after detecting that it's voltage is too low. What would you do? :) The answer is - it stops, being affraid to do anything. The only thing you can do to make him forget about this horror is reset.

However I can be very wrong, and cannot say that old CGX is bugfree. ;)

Regarding tests - My Machine is at home, and I have no discs with me today, so do not expect anything from me before Wednesday... Practically even later.

Good luck and thanks
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2003, 04:16:31 PM »
Quote

olegil wrote:
pixeltest failed returncode -50659333

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try openin a shell and running it manually

use

pixeltest width 640 height 480 -sysdebug

the last bit will force debug output from my code...
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Re: Got a 3D card in your Amiga? I need you!
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2003, 04:28:52 PM »
It can't open cybergraphics.library v42...
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