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[Gojirax]

Ok,

- So the A1 is dead as we know it? (Or at least that's what I understand)

- Eyetech has made no comment as to what direction if any they will take? (Anybody have better detail than that?)

- Hyperion have made no real comment on whether they are:

A: Going to seek a new hardware manufacturer for the OS 4 system.
or
B: Scrapping the OS 4 project completely.
or
C: Porting OS 4 to an Intel Chipset
or
D: Working with Eyetech to get a hardware platform to support OS 4.

- Nor have they given a concrete release date for OS4.

Does anybody have any more light to shed on this confusing situation?

:-?

[Marco]

Does anybody have any more light to shed on this confusing situation?

No.

However, in a few minutes I'm sure a group of rabid 'tru fans' will descend on this thread to rant and rave about how fantastic and wonderful the situation is and that Troika will soon bring out the Amy'05 (the name is a giveaway as to the delays) and also how ACK will soon bring out a variety of boards for the 1200, 4000 or standalone (no evidence of these except the announcements, the Amy at least has pictures on the 'net).

OS4 will not be ported to x86 because the 'tru fans' torpedoed that idea back when the whole thing started (they have these crazy ideas that PPC chips are somehow inherently superior to x86 - because Windows runs on x86 or something)

Hyperion wont release until there's hardware and the hardware guys haven't even confirmed that they have a license to run OS4 on their hardware yet.

Your best bet is to find an old A1 second hand for about twice the price it was originally sold for.

Edited for Great Clarity.

[huronking]

Marco wrote:

No.

However, in a few minutes I'm sure a group of rabid 'tru fans' will descend on this thread to rant and rave about how fantastic and wonderful the situation is and that .

Either that or we could crack Jack Tramiel jokes instead.

"Jack, Irving, and Medhi walk into a bar, each holding a 12 inch piano..."

[coldfish]

Wot Marco said +1.

Imo, OS4 is now sooo past being relevant, it no longer matters what happens on the hardware side.

I doubt Hyperion would ever port to x86, they're not in business to make money. :-P

With the whole OS4/A1 thing, it's morbidly fascinating to see how panderering to a vocal, fanatical minority can turn a promising business oportunity into an embarassing tragedy.

[Dr_Righteous]

Besides, we already have an x86 port of OS4... It's called AROS.

What I don't get is the whole OS4 vs SharkPPC thing. I mean, if both products exist, then WTF are these folks waiting for? Better to relase now that live in the costant vaporware state.

[Gojirax]

I've seen Aros for i386. It doesn't look as cool as AmigaOS4's screenshots look. (I wish there was someplace in the Pacific Northwest where I could go and actually see OS4 in action, but the only company near me is Amiga Inc. 50 miles north. Nothing Amiga related going on there

[B00tDisk]

Dr_Righteous wrote:
Besides, we already have an x86 port of OS4... It's called AROS.

What I don't get is the whole OS4 vs SharkPPC thing. I mean, if both products exist, then WTF are these folks waiting for? Better to relase now that live in the costant vaporware state.

Elbox has a bunch of rebaged Sonnet Crecendo PPC on PCI cards originally built to make slow Macs less slow. They "claim" that the cards will "just work" with OS4 - that by having a Sonnet car...err...Shark PPC Accelerator...in one of their PCI busboards on whatever Amiga model you have, you can install OS4 and away you go.

How they came to this conclusion is beyond me (or anyone else). Firstly, the PCI bridge + classic system is a hacky kludge (I mean for god's sake it uses the video card's memory as a data buffer for the rest of the board). I think it's neat and all but...Now let's factor in OS4 which works on exactly two reference motherboards (the Teron boards from MAI and the micro A-1 boards), which have proper PCI enumeration (for better or worse...). Before that OS will ever start it has to have a CPU to start on. It's a chicken/egg scenario. Getting that mess (and I mean mess) initialized and OS4 working on it when there are no drivers and OS4 has never been tested on it...impossible. Just impossible.

'sides, it's more never-gonna-get-released-ware from Elbox.

At least they have a box or two of Sonnet cards to sell to Mac enthusiasts after they've quietly turned off the lights and let the "elbox.com" domain lapse in a couple more years, though, eh?

[ZXoney]

I'd just like to see something other than out dated hardware being sold for the price of tomorrows(A1 and PegII) both use OLD tech! Can anyone say G5? My god I remember the days when the Amiga was cutting edge! To see A1's and the like using G4s and AGP slots is sad sad sad! And using OLD ass ATI video and Sound Blasters from the 90's!

I guess will see G5 based(Amiga II) motherboards with SATA and PCI-Express real real soon, around 2020 maybe! Yepee!!!

If OS4 isn't ported to x86 or G5 or BETTER, its history!

I'll stick with my AUE on my AMD 3000+ until something (REALLY) new comes along....

You know BILL GATES once say If the Amiga got to strong, he'd buy Commodore out and KILL IT, Make me wonder if hes not paying some of these company off! Money does make the World Go Round you know...Don't buy it and kill it, just give it the old slow death... Just something to think about...


ZXoney

[leirbag28]

@ZXoney

"You know BILL GATES once say If the Amiga got to strong, he'd buy Commodore out and KILL IT,"
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Um where did you quote that from? I dont think Bill Gates actually said that

[uncharted]

Gojirax wrote:
Ok,

- So the A1 is dead as we know it? (Or at least that's what I understand)

- Eyetech has made no comment as to what direction if any they will take? (Anybody have better detail than that?)

AmigaOne is completely dead. I can't see Eyetech ever getting involved with Amiga stuff again.

- Hyperion have made no real comment on whether they are:

The official Hyperion line (during the big IRC chat) was that they were waiting on several hardware partners to release something so they could put out OS4 final. From what has been said since it seems that one of those partners is/was Troika.

But that is as much as I can tell you, which doesn't really say a lot. It does appear as if there is little hope of OS4 licensed hardware. It seems that Amiga Inc. are an additional complication in this matter.

[uncharted]

Marco wrote:

OS4 will not be ported to x86 because the 'tru fans' torpedoed that idea back when the whole thing started (they have these crazy ideas that PPC chips are somehow inherently superior to x86 - because Windows runs on x86 or something)

Nonsense.

Amiga has been locked into PPC since the Escom days. If P5 hadn't made such a balls-up of the Power-Up project, going x86 now would probably be a rather moot point.

At that time PPC was much better than x86, Apple were using more powerful chips in their notebooks than most PC manufacturers were using in their desktops. It seemed like a wise choice at the time. Ain't hindsight great ;-)

Add into the mix that alledgedly Hyperion are only licenced to produce a port for PPC anyway.

The situation is even more complex than that, with technical issues coming into the scene too. Blaming it soley on 'tru fans' (and I'm not saying people like that don't exist) is rather naive.

[uncharted]

Dr_Righteous wrote:
Besides, we already have an x86 port of OS4... It's called AROS.

Heh, I wish.

Hell, I'd settle for AROS being half as useful as my OS3.1/Scalos A1200 setup.

[mbueler]

from http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=18917&forum= 33&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0

Quote:
Okay, fair enough then. Maybe tid bits of information could help ease the communitys frustration though?

rouge wrote:
`Other than saying "Things are happening", no, I'm sorry. I would break trust if I say any more than that.`
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ok,from all the negative crap that ive read in the past year or more from this site and amigaworld, the above is all i needed to hear from Rouge.

regards
"Things are happening" :-D

[dammy]

Hell, I'd settle for AROS being half as useful as my OS3.1/Scalos A1200 setup.

You may get your wish on Scalos. Staff is working on a OS4 port first and then a AROS port. Unless he can find a dev to help out on the AROS port during the mean time. There are two threads on this topic on the AROS developer ML. Unfortunetly, I can't link it here cuz it's only open to subscribers, for some odd reason. Might be for spam havesting reasons?

Dammy

[The_Editor]

Two more weeks ?

:-P