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[CHR_ZD]

They are not able to see changes in modern computing and stick to obsolete and unavailable hardware. I believe they are very far from releasing anything so they stick to this unavailable hardware as an excuse to not release anything. Their website never gets updated! They could post work in progress but nothing, it seems very very dead to me. They can't even see the base of possible users is getting very tired and angry about them. They'd better make some new announcements immediately. I think they lost any credibility.

[Savan]

Dont they have to pay people (amiga inc and eyetech) if the OS goes "final"? if yes then that explains it.

[CHR_ZD]

that would be really great. They know they have to pay royalties to get the os final and they decide to develop it for hardware which does not exist so that they have noone to sell it to. Are they trying to emulate Commodore business strategies too?

[Red_Melons]

Their website never gets updated!

That's what you think - have you seen this?

http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/news/2006-03-21

[MrZammler]

CHR_ZD wrote:
They could post work in progress but nothing, it seems very very dead to me.

Many people are using Hyperion's "work in progress" and it doesnt feel dead to them.

I agree though, lack of hardware is frustrating. I'm not sure who's fault it is, but I'm not going to hold Hyperion responsible for that without knowning facts. As far as I'm concerned, they've done a very good job.

[humppa]

Amiga Inc. needs to pay $25.000 to Hyperion to transfer all source code, interest and title (property rights) in OS 4.0 to Amiga Inc.

This can be done either before OS4.0 is released or no later than 6 months after the release.

If this doesn't happen, all rights fall to Hyperion.

See the tactics here? Don't release the OS and hope that Amiga Inc. will go belly up soon.

[jahc]

[quote]
Amiga Inc. needs to pay $25.000 to Hyperion to transfer all source code, interest and title (property rights) in OS 4.0 to Amiga Inc.

This can be done either before OS4.0 is released or no later than 6 months after the release.

If this doesn't happen, all rights fall to Hyperion.

See the tactics here? Don't release the OS and hope that Amiga Inc. will go belly up soon.
[quote]
What?! Where did you hear that from?

[trgse]

why would Amiga inc. have to pay hyperion, for using their trademarks, source code and copyrights, (and some patents).

it's hyperion that will have to pay amiga inc. a wad of cash as soon as OS4 is released (and then continue to pay for the entire commercial life of OS4.x), and hyperion seem to be perfectly happy to keep sending out pre-releases since they reach all A1 owner's and will probably come up with some ingingous way of making money (Warp3D,Mesa, <that 2D GFX-card driver crap, that doesn't exist> for money?).

if anyone expects troika etc. to be able to fork out the money hyperion demands for porting OS4 to new hardware... it ain't going to happen.... ever.

Strange that no-one has started a mozilla like thing for collecting money to get hyperion to port AOS4 to pegasos? (perhaps noone in the pegasos camp actually want it, they simply state that they want it because they know it will make some people go bananas -friedens for instance-.)

[humppa]

why would Amiga inc. have to pay hyperion, for using their trademarks, source code and copyrights, (and some patents).

They don't "have to" pay Hyperion, they pay Hyperion either as a reward for their job on OS4 (6 months after release of OS4 final) or if they intend to regain total control over the OS (e.g. getting development in-house), or want to retire from the contract made between the AmigaOne partners.
If they don't pay Hyperion however, all rights on the OS will fall to Hyperion. That would be quite nice, unfortunately we still need to wait a long time before Amiga Inc. goes bancrupt.

if anyone expects troika etc. to be able to fork out the money hyperion demands for porting OS4 to new hardware... it ain't going to happen.... ever.

That's what everybody is wondering about. They have put a lot of BS on the website, but never answered if they have a license. I also don't know where the money for the port should come from. Hyperion has not even seen a prototype yet. Would Hyperion finance a port to the Troika? So why are they asking 20.000 EUR for the Pegasos 2 port then?

they simply state that they want it because they know it will make some people go bananas -friedens for instance-

The Friedens have said that they don't have anyting against a port for Pegasos 2. It's just a matter of who is paying for the port and if they can solve the license issue. The latter is rather unlikely.

[Colin_Camper]

This can be done either before OS4.0 is released or no later than 6 months after the release.

I don't think this is right! do you have any evidence for this?
I understood that Hyperion could develop and sell OS4.x exclusively under license to Amiga Inc. One of the terms of this license being that Amiga Inc can control which platforms OS4.x can be sold on.

You can't accuse OS4 of having a crappy website! :-o

It has IMHO the best website in Amigaland

Even better than cloantos Amiga forever or Genesi's site.

(Although at the moment AF and Genesi probably beat it into third place because these two are actually shipping product! )

[humppa]

I understood that Hyperion could develop and sell OS4.x exclusively under license to Amiga Inc. One of the terms of this license being that Amiga Inc can control which platforms OS4.x can be sold on.

How does this contradict with my statement?
Yes, Hyperion is a contractor of Amiga Inc. for the development of OS4.0.
Yes, Amiga Inc. controls the licensing policy for OS4.

[Colin_Camper]

Amiga Inc. needs to pay $25.000 to Hyperion

If this doesn't happen, all rights fall to Hyperion.

This is what I was querying!

It doesn't ring any bells. It doesn't sound like a sound proposition (for Hyperion).
Maybe if it was $2,500,000....

I was just asking if you had any evidence for this assertion.

[humppa]

It doesn't sound like a sound proposition (for Hyperion). Maybe if it was $2,500,000....

Hyperion completely underestimated the time needed for porting AmigaOS to PPC of course. This can be seen from their numerous completely false statements regarding the release date.

Of course $2.500.000 does sound more realistically for 5 years of work on the OS.
Now Hyperion's only chance to get some profit out of it is to make it "their OS" and doing whatever they intend with it. This means to delay the release of OS4 final until Amiga Inc. goes bancrupt.

[Savan]

If Hyperion have any sense they would never release "os4 final" because they will not have to pay people royalties.

[Argo]

Um, What is this final release suppost to run on? :-?