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Has anybody tried it yet?
« on: August 25, 2005, 03:48:57 PM »
Has anybody tried the MOS download for classic PPC? What are your impressions?

Given that the classic PPC system is the only one that can run 3.x, OS4 and also MOS (along with linux) natively, I'm curious to know how people feel they compare technically, what the pros and cons are, the similarities and differences.

I'm ultimately interested in restarting my old c++ portability layer at some point and the classic, with the above compatibility is looking like a promisisng base system. Well, if I can keep mine working long enough!
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2005, 07:19:19 PM »
Well, I've just been playing around with it for a little while (btw
I'm posting from MOS on my CS-PPC right now, using Voyager 3.3.125 for
MorphOS).
It seems somewhat slower on my 200 MHz 604e than OS3.9 on my 60 MHz
68060, I guess it could partially be because the filesystem is 68k and
thus requires emulation (right?). Anyway, I definately will spend some
time with it, I have yet to produce sound from my DelfinaPlus. And I
will try to figure out how to get >28kHz sound from paula in
MOS.

My setup:
A4000T/CS-PPC/CV-PPC
MOS 1.45 installed on a separate HD-partition
resetlevel=5 (all other stuff is left as in the example on
powerup.morphos-team.net)

And remeber to put your 680x0.libraries in libs: on your MorphOS
partition! The 'startup'-program fails without them.

-Paul
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2005, 07:38:46 PM »
thanks to PaSha ;-) i'm slowly testing "the thing".

Very nice indeed but slow.

btw . .  . i have as default a max Ambient resolution of 800x600 16/24bit.

In the mode editor instead, i have it all . . . i don't understand how to make all the resolutions available for Ambient.

PaSha . . . even in your system, the pointer is a little "sluggish"(?) sometimes?

EDIT-anyway i like it :-D
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2005, 07:48:28 PM »
Regarding screenmodes, you have to reboot once after you 'make' them in ModeEdit.
Yup, the pointer is a bit sluggish sometimes, and browsing my disks is slow (probably due to 68k PFS). The lack of Icons in the MorphOS directory annoys me, so I'll have to fix it... Voyager seems faster than on 68k, but I haven't used Voyager on 68k for a loong while (IBrowse is much better IMHO), I guess I'll try AWeb sometime too.
And I will definately get rid of the drive-clicking....
But still, this is definately worth the time.

-Paul

EDIT: SysSpeed results

OS3.9: 68k 80 MIPS, 32 MFLOPS PPC 271 MIPS 179 MFLOPS
MOS:  68k 9 MIPS 11 MFLOPS PPC 270 MIPS 178 MFLOPS
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2005, 07:49:12 PM »
The thing that makes it feels slow IMHO is that it takes ~1 second to open most windows with the default settings, disregarding if it is an icon window on ambient or a prefs window or whatever. I assume it is the fault of the default enabled eyecandy. Cant verify that though as I have been to lazy to disable it yet.


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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2005, 08:00:29 PM »
Pasha you should use SFS For MOS instead of the 68k PFS :).
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2005, 08:13:00 PM »
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The lack of Icons in the MorphOS directory annoys me, so I'll have to fix it...


MorphOS directory is meant to be private... thus no icons there.

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MOS: 68k 9 MIPS 11 MFLOPS PPC 270 MIPS 178 MFLOPS


Click 68k tester few times in a row ;-)

@patrik

Get rid of gradients ASAP.
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2005, 08:32:16 PM »
yup! weird . . if you open the System Monitor once, all the windows will opens faster .  .why?

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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2005, 03:15:03 PM »
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MorphOS directory is meant to be private... thus no icons there.


But, eh, the prefs program is in there, and obviously is nice to access every now and then.

-Paul
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2005, 03:41:02 PM »
@PasHa

You can access Prefs program from Ambient menu... (unless you are using desktop replacement).

(Also Exchange and Format are there...)

@Framiga

Strange... because System Monitor does nothing strange or different. Practically same if you executed CPU command.
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2005, 07:08:03 PM »
Pasha

have you got to reproduce the System Monitor behavior?

I'm no more able to reproduce it today . . . weird.

Posting from MOS just now

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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2005, 08:03:29 PM »
I have tried but can't get it to work.
I did make a bootable partition and copied everything from the CD to the partition on my harddrive but nothing happens when I'm trying to boot?!
Maybe I need to change something, I'm not so handy with this kind of problems =)

I have a A1200T with BPPC+BVision
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2005, 08:32:18 PM »
- Make sure startup-sequence is still ok, someone reported Ed cuts long lines
- Try with different reset levels

There is also debugramdbump in CD0:Boot directory. I cant remember if PowerUp version printed anything useful during boot but after unsuccessfull MorphOS boot you could run debugramdump in AmigaOS and check if anything useful was printed.
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2005, 12:35:12 PM »
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lillPiP wrote:
I have tried but can't get it to work.
I did make a bootable partition and copied everything from the CD to the partition on my harddrive but nothing happens when I'm trying to boot?!
Maybe I need to change something, I'm not so handy with this kind of problems =)

I have a A1200T with BPPC+BVision

Have you copied your 68040/68060.libraries to (root):libs/ the new MorphOS partition? What filesystem are you using, and is the partition within the first 4 GB of the drive?(important when using FFS).

-Paul
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Re: Has anybody tried it yet?
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2005, 02:44:27 PM »
ohhh . . finally got to run at a nice speed.

Yesterday i set the Ambient scrennmode to 1024x768 . . .never mind!!! and this (Itix) explains why i had a slow system even with the System Monitor "trick.

Today i've reduced to 800x600 and the System Monitor trick works again.

In few words . . . CSPPC and CVPPC's 8 meg VRAM, aren't enough for the default settings and it starts to use Fast ram instead.

Anyway NOW it files . . .or so :-)


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