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His posts haven't been offensive. They may be a bit prima-donna, but not outright bad.

I just cannot see why anyone can find 'Hey Yo!' incredulously annoying. Other people use catchphrases too. In my view, it's just the same as a signature, except is uses less data, and appears at the top of the a post. What's so wrong?

As a veteran, this member should be respected, which is how any other internet forum would treat its members who have stuck through the dark ages.

If this thread gets deleted, myself banned or other unnecessary excercise is taken to re-write history and ensure this thread was never posted, it will prove that this is not a 'discussion forum'. Discussion forums are where people agree and disagree. To quote someone famous a long time ago (forgotten his name):

"I may not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it!"

Based on some of the actions I have seen, conformity, rather than open discussion is the way things are done around here. Whew, gladf I got that off my chest!

[Cyberus]

<sigh>

Hi CU_Amiga..

I'm sorry that you and your buddies disagree with my actions, but if you can't see the problem, there's no point in discussing the solution.

The ban on "the late" CU_Amiga stands. Maybe now that 7 out of every 10 new threads aren't either from him, or about him, we can get back to being Amiga.org, and not "CU's Amiga.org".

edit : before you contend that you're not one of that incestuous little kitty pile, you should probably consider posting to threads that aren't written by CU_Amiga or about him. Out of all the posts you've made in the last few days, every single post has been in one of those aforementioned threads either speaking to, or about CU_Amiga.

Wayne

Duplicate account nike11 (CU_Amiga) banned, posts removed.

Some people just don't get the point I guess. Again Allan, if you don't understand the problem, there's little to discuss.

Wayne

[metalman]

"I may not agree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it!"

Voltaire (Attributed) They were written in 1906 by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (pseud. S. G. Tallentyre) in the biography "The Friends of Voltaire". The author did not attribute the words to Voltaire, but used them to sum up Voltaire's attitude.

Now I'm getting "polite two-word e-mails" from support[at]alstrasoft.com...

Some times I just love this job...

Anyway, they seem to be using an anonymous whois proxy service for alstrasoft.com, but can anyone gather information on exactly who this is so that I might file a complaint with ICANN?

Wayne

[Karlos]

@AmiMac

It's not a democracy. It's a site that is the property of an individual. No matter how 'veteran' any user happens to be, he is still a guest. If you p*ss off a guy in his own house, don't be surprised if he turfs you out.

The catchphrase thing was a bit of fun mostly - there was banter in each direction over it and we all had a bit of a laugh. Fair enough it was annoying to see it in every single post, but you are right (IMO) that it isn't grounds for suspension (temporary or otherwise).

Winding up the site owner, posting endless self-aggrandizing bullsh*t (even if in jest it gets tiresome after a time), getting stroppy (again probably a backfiring joke) when some of that stuff was edited, refusing to heed any of the warnings given by the site owner, constantly moaning about it and generally behaving like a child, on the other hand, are perfectly acceptable grounds.

Complaining about how unfair it all is is rather pointless. Wayne pointed CU at the site terms and conditions and was told "I don't have time to read that, I'm far too important" (not verbatim, but to that effect).

If he had read it, he'd realise that he got off pretty lightly - it states warnings are almost always given, but not twice.

[PMC]

Karlos wrote:

It's not a democracy. It's a site that is the property of an individual. No matter how 'veteran' any user happens to be, he is still a guest. If you p*ss off a guy in his own house, don't be surprised if he turfs you out.

That's right. A Org isn't a public service, it's here because an individual decides to put it here. People like Doomy etc have failed to remember that and have cried "foul!" when their accounts are suspended because they've incurred the wrath of the moderator/s.

My own personal preference is that any individual here who has a problem with Wayne takes it up with him by personal mail, as I find reading someone's increasingly rabid tirades against the regieme here both tiresome and embarrassing. Granted though, the Wayne vs CU thread was the funniest thing I read in a long time...

Complaining about how unfair it all is is rather pointless. Wayne pointed CU at the site terms and conditions and was told "I don't have time to read that, I'm far too important" (not verbatim, but to that effect).

If he had read it, he'd realise that he got off pretty lightly - it states warnings are almost always given, but not twice.

In short, if you upset the moderator and or the moderator has received complaints about your conduct then apologise to all concerned. If you feel the moderator and/or complainant is out of order then take it up by personal mail and put a case together rather than making wild slurs and stupid snide comments.

[Cyberus]

PMC wrote:

That's right. A Org isn't a public service, it's here because an individual decides to put it here. People like Doomy etc have failed to remember that and have cried "foul!" when their accounts are suspended because they've incurred the wrath of the moderator/s.

My own personal preference is that any individual here who has a problem with Wayne takes it up with him by personal mail, as I find reading someone's increasingly rabid tirades against the regieme here both tiresome and embarrassing. Granted though, the Wayne vs CU thread was the funniest thing I read in a long time...

In short, if you upset the moderator and or the moderator has received complaints about your conduct then apologise to all concerned. If you feel the moderator and/or complainant is out of order then take it up by personal mail and put a case together rather than making wild slurs and stupid snide comments.

ou on peut lécher le cul ;-)

ou on peut lécher le cul

None of that is necessary. There have been tens of thousands of Amiga.org users over the last 10+ years. Of those, the number who've actually run into problems with the administration of this site can be counted on your hands and toes.

That says something.

Wayne

[PMC]

Cyberus wrote:

ou on peut lécher le cul ;-)

Haha, not quite what I had in mind but a little good manners here doesn't go amiss sometimes.

[Cyberus]

Wayne wrote:

None of that is necessary. There have been tens of thousands of Amiga.org users over the last 10+ years. Of those, the number who've actually run into problems with the administration of this site can be counted on your hands and toes.

That says something.

Wayne

Sorry, I'd just come in after going out for a few beers with the lads last night after an interview for a job. (Not that that's any justification)
You're right, saying that wasn't necessary. I apologise.

After Karlos had already made the point, I guess it seemed to me conspicuously unnecessary to add a bit of self-righteousness, so I made an assumption about his motivation for saying what he did.

At the time, I thought he was being unnecessarily sycophantic. I'll learn to keep thoughts like that to myself in the future.

[PMC]

Cyberus wrote:
After Karlos had already made the point, I guess it seemed to me conspicuously unnecessary to add a bit of self-righteousness, so I made an assumption about his motivation for saying what he did.

At the time, I thought he was being unnecessarily sycophantic. I'll learn to keep thoughts like that to myself in the future.

I've made the point several times in the past that I don't want to read moderator vs poster flame wars and I guess I was unnecessarily making it again. However, it is something that has wound me up hugely in the past so I guess I was being a little self righteous.

@Cyberus

You misunderstand. I wasn't chiding you for saying it. I took it as a joke, but the fact is that there's no butt kissing necessary. The orchestrated lie (aka "the great exodus") aside, the number of people who've ever been banned on this site -- or even had any real problems -- is an amazingly small number.

When you consider that CU_Amiga and his immediate buddy list make up a full 1/4 of that list, you might begin to understand that people have been conditioned to think that Amiga.org is evil where no such truth exists.

If you take a look at the bigger picture, you might even realize the motivations behind that forced perception. First, I was termed "evil" because I refused to become the "wholly-owned puppet" of Amiga Inc. I refused, because at that time, I had been repeatedly made promises, none of which came true. I also made the mistake of expressing an unpopular opinion about their choice of PPC. An opinion which not only got me banned from their "secret society", but has borne itself true today because the "holy triumvirate" has pretty much held itself into obscurity..

No matter though, when I refused, "they" simply found and recruited other puppets. It is interesting to note that these said puppets are now be subjected to the same treatment of lies and broken promises.

Then... Enter another interesting party, waving around promises and lots, and lots of money. Despite the better judgment of my friends and now ex-wife, I made the terrible mistake of trying to provide for my family by supporting the "Amiga" community professionally which -- as I said -- is the only thing I wanted (at the time) for over 10 years....

We all know how that turned out, so there's no sense in rehashing it. Suffice to say however that this has left me (and Amiga.org) squarely orphaned between those who want to blindly follow either path religiously. Humorously enough however, I find this a great place to be, because I'd rather be an orphan without a home than a puppet any day.

In the end, I know I've taken the long road around simplicity with this post, but it doesn't matter. The fact -- despite the perceptions being forced on everyone -- is that people are welcome to use Amiga.org. That's why it's here, but there's no mass banning, nor anything else going on.

If you want to "love" either platform, that's fine. It's not my place to tell you what you can and can't enjoy using. My only interest is providing you with a site on which to do it. Just understand that in my personal and professional history between one company run by incompetence and another run by thieves, I have earned the right to my own opinion.

Wherein Amiga.org is concerned, the only thing I've ever asked is that people behave like adults, and not like petulant children trying to war over two computers which -- in the end, due to their own stupidity -- simply aren't going to make a huge dent in the desktop world.

CU_Amiga and his ilk simply fail to pass the "adult" portion of that test so there's not really anything left to say about that.

[cecilia]

Wayne wrote:
Humorously enough however, I find this a great place to be, because I'd rather be an orphan without a home than a puppet any day.

"It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" - POWER & THE PASSION by Midnight Oil