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WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« on: February 05, 2005, 06:48:47 PM »
I bought a used A1200T with FULL 060, Mediator, etc.

The cpu command says it is a 68060 with FPU + MMU.

I happily used this system for years...

Now the battery died so I took out the card today and what to my surprise...

I see the CPU says XC68EC060RC50 (!)

My Motorola books tell me that the EC means "no FPU, no MMU"

Yet when I compile floating point code for FPU it goes faster than compiling nonFPU code (SASC)

How is this possible?!?

Also my Mediator works perfectly, well... reasonably well :)

Doesn't Mediator require MMU?

Why does my trusty AmigaOS 3.9 say I have FPU+MMU but Motorola says I do not?

Have I been ripped off?

I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!!!!


p.s. I found this on a website:
An "X" prefix in a Motorola part number designates a "Pilot Production Prototype". These are from a limited production volume of prototypes manufactured, tested and Q.A. inspected on a qualified technology to simulate normal production. These parts have only preliminary reliability and characterization data.

XC is also or better was also the code for chips made for japanese oriented "custom" devices. For example a Motorola CPU with custom I/O for PDA. Just to differentiate it from the glory Motorola brand for customers.
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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2005, 07:19:32 PM »
What accelerator do you have??

If the 68060 is socketted on the card you may be able to replace it with one of the 68060s that are in the AmigaKit.com store.
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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2005, 07:22:06 PM »

Motorola sold full 68060s without testing the MMU + FPU part. As they didn't guaranty a working MMU + FPU, they labelled them as EC.

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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2005, 07:23:55 PM »
This has been well known:  There was a batch of EC chips that are indeed full chips.  You did not get ripped off as you have a full 060.
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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2005, 07:27:08 PM »
It is a full 060 with MMU + FPU otherwise CPU wouldn't report it to be
so and FPU software would'nt run.  Trust your results not the chip
marking.
I have one labled as XC68EC060RC60 a 60Mhz part but all my FPU and MMU
software runs fine.

As far as I know the only FPU less 060's were the 75MHz+ parts which
were produced on a smaller fabrication.
 

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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2005, 02:27:22 PM »
Thanx for the info guys!

Whew!  Now I can stop pulling out my hair and get some sleep!  :-D

P.S. I have Apollo 1260 which is slower at memory reads/writes than Blizzard 1260.

  Any chance I could overclock my XC68EC060RC50 to try to make up the difference?

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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2005, 05:38:45 PM »
Uh, sure, they will do 60 MHz or, depending on the exact make, more. If you are a proficient overclocker you may get rates in excess of 66 MHz w/o too much trouble.
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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2005, 06:33:07 PM »
Okay, you must be reading very old motorola books , because seriously EC doesn't mean the same thing as it did on 020 and 030 chips..

Also, if the CPU command reports that you have an MMU you do..
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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2005, 07:13:38 PM »
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Okay, you must be reading very old motorola books , because seriously EC doesn't mean the same thing as it did on 020 and 030 chips..

Excuse me?

He is perfectly correct about the EC060: That means the CPU doesn't have FPU or MMU.

Obviously it seems the CPU has been labeled wrong.

Indeed EC did mean different thing with 020. There it means the CPU had 24bit address bus (020 doesn't have FPU or MMU). 030 doesn't have FPU anyway, so there EC means: no MMU. But I can't see anything being mentioned about this, only the correct conclusion that EC060 means "no FPU, no MMU".

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Also, if the CPU command reports that you have an MMU you do..

CPU command lies about MMU with some EC030 chips.
 

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Re: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS XC68EC060 DOING IN MY A1200?!?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2005, 07:21:10 PM »
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DonnyEMU wrote:
Okay, you must be reading very old motorola books , because seriously EC doesn't mean the same thing as it did on 020 and 030 chips..


While I agree that the EC designation on an 060 is different than on an 020 or 030.  He's reading this correctly.  The 68EC060 according to Motorola/Freescale is not equiped with a MMU or FPU.  But, as mentioned several times in this thread, there were mis-branded or untested chips early in the production run.

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