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[restore2003]

When everyone classifies Pink`s music as modern punk rock, is it fair to say that the classic punk rock is dead? :-(

[Cyberus]

Gaaaah! Pink.

Punk rock died in about 1980
Since then its all been crappy bands cashing in.

Also, punk fashion was being about anti-fashion. As soon as it becomes a uniform it becomes self-defeating.

[Bezzen]

@Cyberus
Wasn't nearly all punk rock prior to 1980 on major labels? Punk's always been about selling out. :-P

Regarding Pink as modern punk rock. Is anyone actually calling it that?

[restore2003]

@bezzen:

Yes, actually many do call Pink a modern punk rocker, which is a bit sad, considering the music is crap.

Also it is hard for classic punk rock to return, because it`s anti-fashion trademark will have no value today, considering that EVERYTHING is fashion now.

[Bezzen]

@restore

Yeah, that is sad. I would call her crappy pop. Not even crappy rock. But punk? Not in a million years.

[that_punk_guy]

Only f**king idiots classify Pink's music as "modern punk rock."

The punk spirit lives on in the independant music scene. Some of those bands play music in the classic punk style, so I'd have to say no, classic punk rock is not dead. It just has limited appeal, and unfortunately the word "punk" has been co-opted by PR companies. But this happens to all movements, it's not to say there aren't some people still with their hearts in the right place. You can't expect the media to promote these groups for you, so you have to look for yourself.

Furthermore, the supposed pinnacle (by common estimation) of classic punk rock, the Sex Pistols, were themselves a disgraceful cash-in (hence my utter loathing of John Lydon and co.)

[that_punk_guy]

Bezzen wrote:
@Cyberus
Wasn't nearly all punk rock prior to 1980 on major labels? Punk's always been about selling out. :-P

Oops, I missed that in my eagerness. My point pretty much.

Regarding Pink as modern punk rock. Is anyone actually calling it that?

You'd be surprised. :-(

Busted are marketed as a "punk-pop" band in the UK. The first time I saw them on TV I got so violently angry I had to go for a looong walk. I wonder if advertising standards could have a case against them?

[Cyberus]

that_punk_guy wrote:
Only f**king idiots classify Pink's music as "modern punk rock."

The punk spirit lives on in the independant music scene. Some of those bands play music in the classic punk style, so I'd have to say no, classic punk rock is not dead. It just has limited appeal, and unfortunately the word "punk" has been co-opted by PR companies. But this happens to all movements, it's not to say there aren't some people still with their hearts in the right place. You can't expect the media to promote these groups for you, so you have to look for yourself.

Furthermore, the supposed pinnacle (by common estimation) of classic punk rock, the Sex Pistols, were themselves a disgraceful cash-in (hence my utter loathing of John Lydon and co.)

You are right of course, but to be fair to them, they were what, 16/17? It was McLaren who saw their financial potential - remember they were shafted and didn't actually see much cash considering how much money their 'product' made.

[that_punk_guy]

I've also seen UK garage / two-step referred to as "urban punk rock."

[that_punk_guy]

Cyberus wrote:
You are right of course, but to be fair to them, they were what, 16/17? It was McLaren who saw their financial potential - remember they were shafted and didn't actually see much cash considering how much money their 'product' made.

True... Of course, in later years you would have hoped they'd wise up. To date, Rotten still tells interviewers that "only the Sex Pistols were ever punk." It's truly sad that he apparently would like the public to believe that the punk underground isn't there.

Egomania? Shameless self-promotion? Both, perhaps. :-)