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[T_Bone]

[KennyR]

Part of the problem is the definition. Republicans define any news service that doesn't censor news that could look bad for Bush, America, or Iraq, as liberal. Once you change that bad definition, there won't be any liberal news services left for you to moan about. :-) Certainly CNN and CBC are not liberal by any European meaning of the word.

[cecilia]

maybe you haven't noticed that they are ALL in the same room? they are all deluded.

i never get my news from any of them. i get my news from OUTSIDE the USA. it's the only objective source.

(well, that and The Daily Show, which is satire, and more likely to be truthful just because of that!)

[Fade]

Did you notice that they left out the worst offender? PBS!

But maybe they are inside the donkey suit.



@ KennyR
"Certainly CNN and CBC are not liberal by any European meaning of the word."
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Apparently you haven't heard that Kerry has now hired two of the CNN staff to try to save his butt. And guess what? CNN is so liberal that they are going to let them keep their TV jobs.

Wake up Kenny!

[T_Bone]

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040826.asp

"The fair and balanced challenge"

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2003/09/surprise_fox_is.html

"Surprise! Fox News is Fair and Balanced!"

[bloodline]

Fade wrote:
Did you notice that they left out the worst offender? PBS!

But maybe they are inside the donkey suit.



@ KennyR
"Certainly CNN and CBC are not liberal by any European meaning of the word."
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Apparently you haven't heard that Kerry has now hired two of the CNN staff to try to save his butt. And guess what? CNN is so liberal that they are going to let them keep their TV jobs.

Wake up Kenny!

See what you did there Fade? You used Liberal as a noun rather than an adjective :-)

[Glaucus]

Certainly CNN and CBC are not liberal by any European meaning of the word.

Do you mean CBC, or CBS? CBC is the Canadian Broadcast Channel. :-)

- Mike

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040826.asp

"The fair and balanced challenge"

Cough, cough.

They are a self-proclaimed conservative media watchdog group. That means that they only find things fair and balanced if they conform to the conservative ideals of the group.

For just a taste, they lament the fact that there isn't enough coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (which is probably a good thing for the conservatives since SBVforT are a bunch of liars working for Bush whose current statements tend to conflict with statements they made 30 years ago and if the media spent moe time on th8is it would come out) and are upset with coverage about how Dubya was AWOL (which he was, unless "It's OK with Dad" is sufficient leave).

[KennyR]

Yeah, CBS. Typo. Although I also like WTF, ACDC, EEK, FOAD, BCAD and DEADF00D.

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2003/09/surprise_fox_is.html

"Surprise! Fox News is Fair and Balanced!"

This article just says that the media (in general) os to the left of the average for the House, but then so is the average American. Fox is to the right of the House, but the House is pretty right wing (not surprising because most members are either wealthy or funded by wealthy organizations).

So, Fox is declared to be "Fair and Balanced" because it is even more right wing than a right wing government.

[FluffyMcDeath]

@ T_bone

Here's an interesting article that brings the Bush AWOL thing and the Media Research Center together ...

from the Blue Lemur ...

[Fade]

After getting caught last week trying to start a rumor about Republicans booing Clinton after Bush made an announcement about Clinton's near heart attack, I think their latest trick will finish the Democrats off for good.

This time they have "found" new documents that "prove" that Bush skipped out on his National Guard service.

This story was so big that the mouthpiece for the Democrats, Dan Rather of CBS brought in the ex-Lt. Governor of Texas to add fuel to the fire, saying he got Bush into the Guard. Nevermind that this guy is a Democrat, or works for Kerry as a fund raiser. The ever fair & balanced CBS thought the US voters would buy it.

The documents from 1973 are supposed to prove that one of Bush's commanders had written him up for not following an order to take a flight physical, and should have been put on active duty for not doing so. Dan Rather, in all his fairness stated that CBS had researched these documents and found them to be genuine. Even had outside experts examine them, no question about it, they are the originals, typed and signed by the now deceased commander!

Now along comes the wife of the commander and guess what. She states the commander couldn't type and wouldn't learn. Didn't speak in the manner that the letters were written and hardly ever took any hand written notes for someone to transcribe.

But here comes the kicker.







You knew there was going to be a kicker didn't you?








Someone, (don't know who, but it was probably a 10 year old typing student) looked at the letters and pointed out that the type was proportional. A very rare thing on typewriters from 1973 even if it was brand new, but almost certainly not used by the military.

Now here is the kicker. It also contained superscript. Didn't exist on typewriters in 1973.

Now we hear this from CBS's Dan Rather


EDIT
Sorry T_Bone, I should have read your link first. ops:

REEDIT
That was Fluffy's link, not T_Bone's. Double ops:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

KennyR wrote:
Yeah, CBS. Typo. Although I also like WTF, ACDC, EEK, FOAD, BCAD and DEADF00D.

[Dan]

I´m more worried about what is happening to the BBC.

American media is always biased, either towards the owner or towards the one who bought most commercials, it´s only natural.

Anyway, the best news is local news.
"Cow escaped, is running on road E21"
"Eight year old won airgun competition"
"Debate about closing of the school in ..."
"Dog runaway, if you see a golden retriver with the name tag Ludde call..."
That´s the real news!

Speak to the nation, can´t believe anyone is actually watching that kind off crap!

[FluffyMcDeath]

@Fade


The question is, why hasn't the Bush team got around to faking documents that proove he served? Why not fill in that gap? Dubya wanted Saddam top proove that he had destroyed all his WMD. Iraq submitted hundreds of pages of documentation. All we need is for Dubya to document his service, and he cannot do it. Double standard?

Dubya got himself (or his dad got him) a cushy position that would naver take him to 'Nam (and he even checked the "Won't serve overseas" box!!!) Kerry volunteered, and even if the Swift Boat PR operations charges about Kerry were true, and even if his purple hearts were worthless, Kerry still served in combat, was shot at and did kill for his country. To criticize Kerry's mote while ignoring Bush's beam is hypocricy (and no small amount of chutzpah).

Now we hear this from CBS's Dan Rather

Yes. Enormous pressure was also brought to bare on the BBC to get them to retract the stroy that the dossier was "sexed up". People were fired. Heads rolled. The dossier was still "sexed up" nonetheless.