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Offline alberonnTopic starter

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Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« on: August 11, 2004, 10:37:46 PM »
Help I am working on an A3000 with the Super Kickstart ROM. Unfortunately, I don't have the Super Kickstart disk. I did rescue the kickstart file from the devs: directory though.

I prepped the HD on an A2000 with 2.04 ROMs and installed 2.1 on the HD the copied the kickstart file to the devs: directory. Now instead of getting the Kickstart screen, I get a very 1.3 looking screen complaining about DH0: being a NDOS disk. Is there anyway I can get this computer up and running with just the file I have or does our user have to get a new ROM??? He was planning on eventually upgrading, but we'd like to get his computer up and running now until he can get the ROM(s).
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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 10:47:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, the partitions containing Kickstart have to be OFS formatted, not FFS - the Superkickstart rom itself doesn't have FFS support.
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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 11:12:59 PM »
I just did a clean install of 2.1 on my SuperKickstart A3000. The partition the Kickstart file is on must be called WB_2.x in order for the 1.4 ROMs to find and Kick the image.
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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 11:15:34 PM »
This guy has a wealth of info for the Amiga 3000 desktops

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~miles.j/amiga.html#SOFT

basically follow his recommendation for Softkicking A3000

>quote<
When installing a new boot drive in a 3000 with the original "boot ROMs", to get the 3000 to softkick kickstart, the disk must be called wb_2.x in hard drive toolbox and the drive set to FFS with out DC or international checked. Your KickStart image should be in DEVS: This is because V.36 boot roms boot the machine and look for a hard drive called wb_2.x to find a kickstart 2.x or 3.x rom image then reboot using the hard drive kickstart. Note that if you have V.36 bootroms the A3640 040 (and any other 040 or 060) card will not work, the machine will not even boot. The kickstart image for the 3000 must be for a 3000 to work properly as must "real" kickstart roms. ROMs from other AMiGAs do not support A3000 SCSI or floppy disk drives and so are not much use!
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If you follow this you should be ok

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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2004, 02:10:01 AM »
The A3000 with softkick requires a special kick file.
A grab from just any kick rom won't work.
The kick file for the A3000 softkick has extra code
that makes it work.

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 Note that if you have V.36 bootroms the A3640 040 (and any other 040 or 060) card will not work, the machine will not even boot.
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This is correct, you'll need hard burned roms if you want
to run an accellerator.
A minor correction to the quote above, they are V 37.xxx roms.

Since you have the machine I don't think it would be illegal
for me to DMS you a copy of the SuperKickStart disk if
you want. PMail or EMail me if you want it.
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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2004, 02:37:19 AM »
Thanks for all of the help guys. If I understand correctly the Physical name of
the drive must be WB_2.x? (Not the Logical name? Physical names are usually like
DH0:) That's one easilly fixed problem, however I did FFS Intl format the drive
so a reformat will be in order. (After some horror stories I've heard, I'll
never use DC on a partition again. That and I've had some issues with DC
formatted partitions before.)

I do have the KICKSTART file from the HD that came with the A3000 and it was
booting fine. That should work just fine. I appricate the DMS of the disk it
will make having to do a reinstall MUCH easier when needed. Our club member who
owns the system is thinking of getting the 3.1 ROMs for it later, but he wanted
it working until he can get them. Besides he'd like it for historical reasons.

Where can I find a 3.1 Super Kickstart?

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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2004, 03:23:37 AM »
I would highly recommend just getting the ROMs.  Though is was the hardest Amiga to get ROMs for as I had to order special ROM tower ROMs.  Mine go where the ROM tower use to be.  But once you have em there is no more worries!!  I currently have a CSMK II 060 card, Cybervision 64 and OS 3.9.  It works awesome.  Worth the hassle to get the ROMs.  Contact Softhut, they were awesome.  I was able to return the ROMs until I got a working set for my 3000.  I guess it only would work with the ROM Tower ROMs.  The regular ROMs in the other sockets were a no go.
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Offline Matt_H

Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2004, 03:46:55 AM »
@ alberonn

3.1 Softroms for the A3000 legally should not exist in the general Amiga community. I've been searching for some too, when I came across this, from MakeSuperDisk.readme on Aminet:

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Commodore declared that in order to upgrade an A3000 with boot ROMs you had to buy the A3000 2.04 ROM upgrade kit. This made upgrading the machines in software illegal. Only registered developers were allowed to use the Kickstart files they received from BIX and the ADSP network.


:-(. Got any friends who were registered developers?
I legally own a spare set of A3000 3.1 ROMs, but I'd much rather use them in software than hardware.
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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2004, 05:40:13 AM »
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melott wrote:
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 Note that if you have V.36 bootroms the A3640 040 (and any other 040 or 060) card will not work, the machine will not even boot.
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This is correct, you'll need hard burned roms if you want
to run an accellerator.
A minor correction to the quote above, they are V 37.xxx roms.



Well, it is how I wrote, if you have v36 ROMs (2.0) in your 3000 (the original ones that booted a Kickstart image from disk) you need to upgrade to either v37 (2.04 or 2.05) or v40.x (3.1) in a Hardware ROM chip for a 040 or 060 to work.  The A3000 2.0 ROM makes use of the 68030 MMU to remap the KickStart to RAM, this special code fails on 040 and 060 CPUs.

To confuse matters, the 2.0 ROMs in my spare 3000 are marked v5!  Developer ROMs are 1.4.

3.1 KS was not released for softkicking the 3000, but does exist.  v40.68.

In fact that is clearer, will upload it to my site  ;-)
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Re: Need help with A3000 with Super Kickstart
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2004, 11:05:30 AM »
Update on the status of the A3000:

The owner of the system has been very happy since the A3000 has been running very good right now. It still running OS 2.1, but he does plan on eventually trying to get the 3.1 ROMs and put OS 3.9 on it.

Thanks for all of the info and insight you guy have offered. It was instrumental in getting that system back up and running.
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