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[Gulliver]

Read about my personal pipe-dream:

http://lilliput.host-cafe.com/TechDetails2.htm

...and feel free to comment

[save2600]

Love it! Great for us that don't want to wade through cryptic messages having us hunt and peck for various patches. Used it since the last BB update. Thanks much!!

[Karlos]

The compositing version of Intuition isn't something that'll come to 3.x without a lot of work from someone. Then there's cairo, though obviously no m68k apps would use it anyway.

[AmigaMance]

68k system files in OS4 CD? Mmm.. Very interesting!

[wawrzon]

i dont think visual prefs is very best solution. use afa instead. also powerwindows_ng is a very good compatible and stable piece of software to get rid of one of very annoying 68k workbench restrictions.

i am using a lot of these patches on my both main amigas.

[Gulliver]

VisualPrefs is a good solution, and afa too.
From my humble point of view, VisualPrefs works great in all systems while afa requires a GFX card and is a bit slower, but nevertheless, great stuff too.
On the other hand, i havent got good memories of PowerwindowsNG, but the concept behind it, is great.

[kolla]

This thread reminds me of my OS3.9 on MiniMig project, where the task is to find out which bits and pieces of OS3.9+ that can be used with 68000 CPU. With the MiniMig running the 68000 at 28MHz, the speed is that of an A1200, and it's somewhat annoying to find that so much software is 020+ only

[Vulture]

@Gulliver

So, you're saying that those files you've put under the BB4 column inside the first 2 tables are 68k files which can be used under 3.9, or have I completely missed the point? And if I'm correct, do context menus actually work under 3.9? That'd be something waaay too cool!

[wawrzon]

@gulliver: i remember visual prefs to trash my palette and introduced some settings in env causing it that were really hard to get rid of. afa doesnt work well on less that 16bit. thats true. i was trying to convince bernd to adopt it but he thinks none is using it without a gfx card anyway. i have a little partial fix for that underway. hope this motivates him a little.

as for powerwindows i couldnt live without it anymore. of course the full instalation is needed, including patching kickstart. on one of my machines it is done with blizkick, on another the module is included into a rom flash of the deneb. both works great since years. i cannot recal a single problem, incompatibility, with any software, crash, hangup or even a glitch i had with it. it seems one of very few softwarez on amiga that do not contain any bugs.
what problems did you have? since i would heavily recommend powerwindows for anybody that not only uses his amiga for gaming
btw. posting it from the new 68k netsurf version on my a4k!

[Ratte]

wawrzon = wawa ?!

[bernd_afa]

>Read about my personal pipe-dream:

>http://lilliput.host-cafe.com/TechDetails2.htm

>...and feel free to comment

when look at the compare between MOS and OS4 on same Hardware can see that OS4 is slower

http://obligement.free.fr/articles/a..._morphos23.php

also memalloc is slower on OS4

So i think when you run OS4 on a 68060 CPU its slower as classic AOS with AFA also OS4 use more the MMU, need more mem etc.

not sure what OS4 programs you want so you need OS4, but all programs that are on OS4 can on classic too compile, if the Author support it.and with AFA is AOS enhance to support some AOS4 funcs (icon lib)

If the prog OS4 Author not support 68k, then there help also no 68k AOS4

if you want a grimreaper you can run guardianangle with option fatalhits.

then every illegal memory access bring a requester.

[wawrzon]

@ratte: yeah. the other nick wasnt available here. so what?
because im advocating netsurf everywhere?
edit: ah, i know. i didnt finished it yet. im somehow to addicted to have fast working 3d. ive put too much time into it lately.
btw: bernd, did you check the intuition lib in progress ive sent you. this problem with the resize gadget. check it out

[Gulliver]

@kolla
I see your point. Sometime ago, i remeber i created something like 68000 OS 3.9 by adding 3.1 stuff and third party stuff, never too usable though. But, yes you are right, most of todays stuff comes for 020+. So anyway, where did you get to with your OS3.9 on MiniMig project?

@Vulture
As allways, your mileage may vary applies using OS4 stuff on 68k, but yes that stuff is usable. And, ContextMenus works with AmigaOS 3.9, i tested it myself, it requires you have popupmenu.library installed.
By the way, be carefull when picking up the 68k stuff. Files which were 68k on some prerelease versions, are PPC only on final OS4 CDs. To find out which one is PPC only, simply open it with a suitable text editor and if it says ELF at the very beginning of the file (from the second byte onwards), then it is PPC only.

@wawrzon
Please convince Bernd on adding afa support for people that use screens lower than 16bit!
Could you point me out where the last powerwindows version is, i am willing to give it one more try, maybe i was using some old version!
Aminet version of netsurf works great on my WinUAE setup, but it is a pitty it cannot work on my AGA Amiga

@Bernd_afa
I agree with what you say... OS4 is slower, and MorphOS is better in far too many technical ways. But my goal was to enhance AmigaOS 3.9 68k functionality and sort of create AmigaOS 4.1 for 68k. I find it really difficult to do it looking on Morphos, as it is 100% PPC code with a tottaly different kernel.

And i was hoping you could reconsider making afa to work with setups with less than 16bit, that would be great, at least for me
I didnt knew that GuardianAngel could be something like GrimmReaper, i will test it!

[bernd_afa]

>But my goal was to enhance AmigaOS 3.9 68k functionality and sort of create AmigaOS >4.1 for 68k

I see in your List, you write for OS4 MUI4.0.thats wrong.OS4 have only a MUI3.9 thats simular to 3.8.

on 68k you can enhance MUI with zune.so can here too reach MUI4 functionality.

>And i was hoping you could reconsider making afa to work with setups with less than >16bit, that would be great, at least for me

AFA work with 8 bit, but the new AFA skin system look not nice.
waewa have done some sysiclass image so it look as old.or you can deactivate it and use visual prefs as before.

But when run the workbench in 16 bit, all is much faster, try it out, because Icons need not remap images not remap and dither etc.

The days of 8 bit OS are over, images and webpages look ugly so all modern OS do not support 8 bit anymore.AROS too not work well on 8 bit, and i not spend work to support 8 bit

even a amiga with a very slow gfx card is in 16 bit faster as on 8 bit when show images or icons.

and a amiga without graphic card, does this somebody use as main System and he have no other system that support 16 bit display ?

sure i know there are a few guys that have a amiag 1200 unaccelaret and they want use it, when there run a modern with 2 megabyte ram, show with copperlists more than 256 colors, but i know thats not possible so not work on it.

I see you ignore AFA complete in your compare list btw.

[dcr8520]

MUI4 is available for OS4 !? wasn't it stalled at 3.9? damn, i lost the news about that.

Interesting/funny initiative indeed the one you had here.., you was also fast adding OpenSSL 1b4 ;-)

Edit: i think the OWB entry is wrong..

Edit2: damn Bernd, you was fast regarding MUI4