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Old 02-21-2008, 03:55 PM   #1
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Default Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

Ok no doubt this has been asked before...but here goes.

In my A2000, i have an a2630 accelerator with 4mb ram onboard and a GVP series hd+8 with 4mb onboard.

I know the zorro bus will only address 8mb max...but is there any way i can add the extra 4mb to the GVP and make it useable?
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:55 PM   #2
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

IIRC, there is a board by DKB that piggy-backs onto the 2630 and allows 112Megs of 32-bit fast ram. Beats the crap out if the 8 Meg/16-bit limit.
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:14 PM   #3
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

It'd be much simpler to just put all the ram on one card, however it should be as easy as enabling the ram on the gvp.
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:51 AM   #4
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

Nope there is no way around the 8 MB limit. Either you switch off the A2630 Ram (not recommendet) or you limit the Ram on the GVP to 4 MB.

The two existing A2630 Ram expansions DKB 2632 and Access32 are a way to have more Ram with a humble A2630 but usually prices for those boards are so high (as they are collectables) that it is cheaper to get an other accelerator alltogether like a Blizzard 2040 that allows for more Ram on the board itself.
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Old 02-22-2008, 01:46 AM   #5
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

If you want to design your own ram expansion, this might help
http://www.thule.no/haynie/cpumods/a2630/dtrbd/readme.txt
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Old 02-22-2008, 04:37 AM   #6
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

Lemmink is right, the only way is to add 32-bit memory via the 2630's RAM expansion connector. There's no way, other than possibly a major overhaul of several chips on the A2630, to remap the 2630 memory above the ZII address space. The good news is that the 2630 memory is 32-bit but as Dave Haynie explained, back in the day 8MB was considered a lot of memory and for compatibility with the original 68000 (fallback mode), placing the 4MB in the ZII space allowed use of the memory with the original cpu for compatibility. He made provision for extra 32-bit RAM via the access connector on the back of the card. But there is no simple way to change this arrangement.

On the other hand, Dave H has said would be possible to remap the 4MB of 32-bit memory space on the A2620 board, as the signal for doing so is apparently unused on the PAL chip involved. It would require a PAL replacement and a relatively simple modification using the aforementioned unused signal. Under this scenario you'd then have 8MB ZII memory available and 4MB of 32-bit memory on the A2620 above the ZII address space; so a total of 12MB. On the A2630, the unused address signal line was used for something else; probably has to do with the logic to make the A2630 asynchronous with the A2000 m/b.
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:49 AM   #7
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

I wish i had the skills to build an expansion myself..i know the fast ram exansions for these accelerators are rare and command huge sums of money.

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Old 02-23-2008, 12:29 PM   #8
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

I think I bought my DKB 2632 (in my hand right now) on eBay for a song just a few months ago. Maybe it slipped under everyone else's radar. It did come completely unpopulated, thats why I have not installed it yet. I haven't tried to find ram for it yet.
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Old 02-23-2008, 01:32 PM   #9
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

One thing to keep in mind--when doing this, adding RAM especially via the A2632, you will have horrible SCSI performance and problems. Best thing to do is get a proper accelerator with SCSI built in. This way you will have good SCSI speed. With a SCSI controller you have the 16-bit to 32-bit DMA problem, and it really sucks let me tell you! (~200kb/s)
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Old 02-26-2008, 05:05 AM   #10
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

@Tjlazer

I would agree using the A2632 rules out using the A2091 controller for the most part (unless you use some third party software hacks), but using a GVP HD+8 controller seems to work fine for me anyway. The GVP uses it's own special 24-bit dma software scheme so it differs from the A2091 performance wise.

You could always also use a non-dma scsi card like the Trumpcard, ICD or Dataflyer. The Trumpcard is the fastest afaik non-dma scsi controller out there.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:07 PM   #11
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

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I would agree using the A2632 rules out using the A2091 controller for the most part (unless you use some third party software hacks), but using a GVP HD+8 controller seems to work fine for me anyway. The GVP uses it's own special 24-bit dma software scheme so it differs from the A2091 performance wise.

You could always also use a non-dma scsi card like the Trumpcard, ICD or Dataflyer. The Trumpcard is the fastest afaik non-dma scsi controller out there.
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I just was playing with my A2000 the last few days! It has a A2630 with 2MB on it and I was playing with my 2632 card and installed 32MB on it. Could not get any spare SCSI HDs working (all dead) so I threw in my DataFlyer Plus IDE. Works great! 2.5MB/s transfer speeds. Using an old 2GB IDE HD and it works awesome!

I knew that back in 2008 had major issues with my A2091 HD. Did not play well with the 32-bit RAM.
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

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One thing to keep in mind--when doing this, adding RAM especially via the A2632, you will have horrible SCSI performance and problems.
Have you tried masking the buffer so that only 16 bit RAM is used for buffering?
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

Yep tried that and it didn't help much. It was way under 1Mb/s. had to have 2MB fast RAM or it would crawl.
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Old 08-04-2012, 07:55 AM   #14
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

While the DKB 2632 board might be hard to come by, mine takes regular 72-pin ram like that used on my CSPPC board and can be fully populated; this does lead to a lack of address space and for certain ZII boards I've had to lower the amount installed. The A2630 board is a stubborn bugger which does not allow any changes.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:22 PM   #15
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Default Re: Adding extra ram in A2000 with a2630

Hello this is the first time here. But i also have an Amiga 2000 with a2630 cpu and 9 mb ram in total. have i understood it right, that i can not add more ram to it as it is now, without an upgrade?
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