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[psxphill]

Originally Posted by yssing

Digiman >> All those mentioned have nothing to do with the OS but are depending on applications.

An OS includes applications. What you're thinking of is a kernel.

exec had exactly the right compromises for a mid 80's home computer kernel. Unfortunately those compromises are baked in and can't be changed.

If you want a minority operating system on modern hardware then try haiku http://www.haiku-os.org/.

AROS is ok, but it can't make use of multiple cpu's, memory protection etc.

[XDelusion]

Originally Posted by yssing

Now I have seen the notion "modern OS" several times.
I am getting a little confused (not really), but what is a modern OS? what does it require to be modern?

Surely it can't be surfing the net, that is not something the OS does. Is it all kind of eye candy? multi user OS? please do tell.

A modern OS is a OS that requires 1000 times the resources of an old OS to accomplish the same basic tasks.

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by jorkany

Modern is defined by cultural activity around something new and nontraditional. If there is no cultural interest, it is not modern by definition.

That's a nice one.

[Faerytale]

I feel an underlying OS identity crisis

[Kesa]

Originally Posted by takemehomegrandma

@ jorkany, dammy

Stop making sense!

Stop being funny!

[haywirepc]

A modern OS is a OS that requires 1000 times the resources of an old OS to accomplish the same basic tasks.

Thats exactly it.

I totally think the os should give most of the horsepower of the hardware to
the user. Linux, windows and osx fail at this on older hardware badly.

If you tweak the hell out of linux with a lightweight window manager, its not
so bad I suppose.

I just think a brand new os should not require brand new hardware to run
decently.

[Kesa]

A modern OS is a application launching device where users don't realize they are using it. So i guess that would be intuition or something. Except i hate intuition dammit. It makes me feel alienated from modern computing as it doesn't understand me. Then i forget which one i am using. So i guess it does work after all. This is so confusing

[commodorejohn]

Originally Posted by XDelusion

A modern OS is a OS that requires 1000 times the resources of an old OS to accomplish the same basic tasks.

Zing!

No, but seriously, so much of what's being thrown around in this thread is just clippings from the Grand List of Things PC Users Have Made Fun of Amiga Users for Not Having. You can hear the rationalization - "well, if I can play movies, and I can use Skype, and I can run Office, and I can play all the latest 3D games, and I can run all the latest PC software on all the latest PC hardware, then nobody will ever be able to make fun of my Amiga again!" Well, no shít, Sherlock, that's because it'll be a PC! Oh, and also nobody was ever dissuaded from mocking someone by having the basis of their mockery taken away, so don't count on that even if you do succeed in redefining "Amiga" to mean "another damn generic PC system."

The biggest obstacle to the Amiga platform and community isn't hardware or software - it's the sheer amount of time wasted on tilting at windmills because somewhere, at some point, some PC user told us they might be giants.

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by haywirepc

A modern OS is a OS that requires 1000 times the resources of an old OS to accomplish the same basic tasks.

A modern OS can do 1000 tricks, while an old OS can't. Lets not pretend AROS, AmigaOS or MorphOS are anywhere near modern OS today. I stopped fooling myself 15 years ago, join me.

[runequester]

Originally Posted by commodorejohn

Zing!

No, but seriously, so much of what's being thrown around in this thread is just clippings from the Grand List of Things PC Users Have Made Fun of Amiga Users for Not Having. You can hear the rationalization - "well, if I can play movies, and I can use Skype, and I can run Office, and I can play all the latest 3D games, and I can run all the latest PC software on all the latest PC hardware, then nobody will ever be able to make fun of my Amiga again!" Well, no shít, Sherlock, that's because it'll be a PC! Oh, and also nobody was ever dissuaded from mocking someone by having the basis of their mockery taken away, so don't count on that even if you do succeed in redefining "Amiga" to mean "another damn generic PC system."

The biggest obstacle to the Amiga platform and community isn't hardware or software - it's the sheer amount of time wasted on tilting at windmills because somewhere, at some point, some PC user told us they might be giants.

Well, now the CUSA thing makes total sense then!

Just redefine things so "amiga = linux PC" and voila, we suddenly have amiga's with skype and Quake 4 and memory protection.

Heck, Commodore could have done that in 1985 and been done with it!

[slaapliedje]

A 'Modern OS' is quite simply defined as one that runs on 'Modern Hardware'. I don't think it has anything to do particularly with what features the OS itself has. And yeah, while the Operating System may come with Notepad, or some basic text editing, I would still call that an application, and not necessarily part of the operating system.

The only thing (in my mind) that makes the AmigaOS (and all of their brethren, female companions? what would be the female word for brethren anyhow? Since the Amiga is a feminine word.) not a 'Modern' Operating System, would be the fact that it doesn't work with modern hardware. Yes, that's even including the AmigaOne X1000. While the hardware itself is more or less modern, AmigaOS4 doesn't FULLY support it yet. Making it not a FULL (modern) operating system.

I absolutely love the AmigaOS, and while I agree it does need something as important as memory protection, multiuser and security, it's not necessarily required for a 'modern' operating system. But you do need support for whatever hardware it's going to run on. If you have a Dual Core PPC and AmigaOS4 only supports one core, that's not full support. The key word here is SYSTEM. You can have the most epic Operating System in the world, but if you don't have any hardware to operate it on, then well.... But then again the same goes the other way. You could have hardware that would make a basement dwelling troll go on a 'fapping' spree, but if you don't have an operating system that doesn't suck....

This is the conundrum of 'Modern Computer Systems.' In my opinion some of the ways AmigaOS did things were just beyond anything we have on 'Modern Operating Systems'. Screen drags and different resolution screens on the fly! I mean that is still one of the coolest things I've ever used. Granted with LCD/LED screens looking completely horrible unless you're using the native resolution (or perfectly divisible of that native resolution) then multiple resolution applications would be a bad thing, but I think they still have their use. Another one would be custom icon sizes and clicked on and non-clicked on icons (damnit, I want my folders to look opened when I single click them!)

Sometimes I dream of being able to run something as light weight and fast as AmigaOS 3.x on my 8 core AMD Bulldozer with 8GB of RAM and being able to utilize all my hardware. It would absolutely SCREAM!

Unfortunately by my own definition though, even AROS isn't a completely modern operating system, because it only runs on specific hardware still. I haven't managed to even get it to boot on my laptop or my desktop.

slaapliedje

P.S. Sorry for the rant...

[Methuselas]

Originally Posted by yssing

Now I have seen the notion "modern OS" several times.
I am getting a little confused (not really), but what is a modern OS?

Certainly not any of the Amiga flavors, that's for sure......

[yssing]

So a modern system OS must have:
-Memory protection.
-SMP support.
That much we all agree on. Hence no flavor of AOS can be considered modern(?)

It must run on new and any available hardware, but that would exclude pretty much any OS.

It must be able to run Skype, Office suite and the newest games, personally I don't consider those to be a part of an OS.

It must used 1000 times the resources of an old OS to do the same basic things.

So no real consensus can be reached, other than MP and SMP.

[Crumb]

A modern OS is an OS that can control Paula, Agnus and Denise natively.

[whabang]

Modern - characteristic of present and recent time; contemporary; not antiquated or obsolete.

A modern OS, is an operating system that is up to date with the latest usage trends and application requirement.

Today, that would be an easy to use and intuitive system with a touch-compatible interface and the ability to run 3d-accellerated applications at HD-resolutions.

That being said, being modern is not the same thing as being good, efficient or easy to tinker with. :-)