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[XDelusion]

Really, HD-Rec runs on a MiniMig? How fast and how much RAM do you have to spare? That program is just awesome. In fact I feel that that program alone is reason enough for the MorphOS team to get their butts in gear and refocus on getting the USB and MIDI side of things going so we can take advantage of some of those cheap USB cards out there.

Originally Posted by kolla

Heck yeah, and they also work nicely with Minimig, looking forward to trying them out on FPGA Arcade



Totally agree, the focus has been on video playback and framerates in Quake for way too long.



Because they can finally watch youtube with OWB - that has kept them busy for years.

[XDelusion]

Originally Posted by Crumb

I don't think so, Isochronous USB transfers are not planned at all so that rules out most USB soundcards

If that is true then my relationship with MorphOS will not follow much further into the future. This IS going to cost them a loss in future sales and it is going to be a further slap in the face to all the Amiga users who want to use their old software to it's fullest.

LAME LAME LAME!!!!

[kolla]

Originally Posted by hooligan

You are probably very welcome to join their small team to write these missing features

I very much doubt that, haha

[kolla]

Originally Posted by XDelusion

Really, HD-Rec runs on a MiniMig? How fast and how much RAM do you have to spare?

I was a bit quick there, I dont know about HD-Rec, and I don't know where I would hook in the sampler on the Minimig, I use other devices for sampling.

[kickstart]

kolla have enought free time to loss it here talking about how crap is all... but without any help or solution.

[XDelusion]

Originally Posted by kolla

I was a bit quick there, I dont know about HD-Rec, and I don't know where I would hook in the sampler on the Minimig, I use other devices for sampling.

Can you do midi on the mini mig?

[kolla]

Yes, using the RS232 on the Minimig, I tried it briefly - the MIDI interface I used (TRD?) originally pulled 12V (I think, sounds weird...) power from the 25 pin Amiga serial port, and since the serial port on the Minimig is only the usual 9 pin one, I used a PC PSU to feed both the Minimig (5V) and the MIDI interface. There are others that have found more convenient ways though, one guy even made a MIDI-board that would fit inside the typical Minimig case.

[Crumb]

Originally Posted by spirantho

I wanted to, actually, but it never supported my Prometheus, so I couldn't.

Prometheus support was unfinished, rtl8029 worked but never got voodoo3 working with it.

My point wasn't that AOS 4 was better than MOS - it's not, it's the same, here - but that MOS (and AOS) are actually behind OS 3 - at least when you include third party software.

You mean Deneb drivers are more advanced than PCI drivers because the former drivers support Isochronous transfers.

It´s not a problem of the OS/USB stack but of the usb drivers. In case you don´t remember it Poseidon is part of MorphOS and you can use Deneb on MorphOS (with native Poseidon PPC).

It's a bit crazy that the only Amiga to be able to do isochronous connections is the 20 year-old A3000/A4000, especially when USB is by far the standard interface these days.

Agreed. It´s a pity isochronous transfers are not higher in the "to do list" but what would you delay (or have delayed) to get isochronous transfers sooner... powerbook support? wifi support? R300 support? I guess there are quite important things in the pipeline that nobody would want to delay to get webcams/usb audio cards sooner.

Another important problem is that AHI should be updated or replaced to accept more audio inputs.

[kolla]

Originally Posted by kickstart

kolla have enought free time to loss it here talking about how crap is all... but without any help or solution.

I have a day job, a life, and other interests, yeah. And I wont "help" a closed source Amiga OS. My solution is to open source MorphOS and let AROS and MorphOS join efforts to a much larger degree.

[smerf]

Hi,

@XDelusion,

HMMMM!!!! if UAE is blasphemy, well you could always use Cloanto's Amiga Forever, it works great and supports a lot of sound cards. The only trouble I have with mine is my wife, she keeps telling me to turn it down. I keep telling her to shove a sock in her ears. Guess what? She don't listen.

Anybody who says women are defenseless, has never lived with one, they use pschological warfare, blah, blah, blah and blah and if you say something they always get in the last blah.

smerf

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by XDelusion

If that is true then my relationship with MorphOS will not follow much further into the future. This IS going to cost them a loss in future sales and it is going to be a further slap in the face to all the Amiga users who want to use their old software to it's fullest.

LAME LAME LAME!!!!

Oh yes, the massive hordes of ex-Amiga hobbymusicians running back to Amiga.. thats not a slap in the face in loss of sales, its a touch of feather on the cheek in most sensitive way a heteroman can feel ;-)

Really, if youre missing a line-in it doesnt mean everyone misses it. I dont, I have a Macmini aswell. It bothers me more to have only two usb-ports. You have been told a million times already, it is Apple's fault you have this problem, don't blame MorphOS for it. Also, you bought wrong hardware for your needs, which also makes it half your own fault.

[hooligan]

Originally Posted by kolla

I very much doubt that, haha

But you get the idea.. a few hobbyprogrammers just can't rmimic everything Windows, MacOS or Linux offers. Never will.

[itix]

Originally Posted by XDelusion

If that is true then my relationship with MorphOS will not follow much further into the future. This IS going to cost them a loss in future sales and it is going to be a further slap in the face to all the Amiga users who want to use their old software to it's fullest.

LAME LAME LAME!!!!

I guess it is important but so is power saving features, 3D, support for reflashed Radeon cards, wireless networking, internet browsers and so on. There are many features to have focus on.

[XDelusion]

@hooligan & itix:

I agree, there is much ground that needs to be covered, and yes, in part this is Apple's fault for being equally lame, and partially my fault because I like many other humans do not know everything.

You see the thing is that I have NEVER in my entire life encountered a "modern" computer that lacks audio input. Never once!
Naturally never having been exposed to such a thing, I could not anticipate it's existence, especially from a computer company that advertises itself as a computer company with imagination and innovation, a computer company for the artist, for the creative, and not for the suit and tie business guy. Especially from a company that ships audio recording software with it's computers!

On top of that I had just sent back another Mac Mini to an Ebay dealer because he had shipped me an Intel Mac by mistake. Now ironically the Intel Mac had an input jack (not to mention additional USB ports), so naturally I expected them to be on the G4 Mini as well.


Now back to MorphOS.

As I was stating before, one of MorphOS' present claims to fame is the fact that it has backwards compatibility with some classic Amiga software. The downside to this though is that while it seems to support it's fair share, it still has problems running those apps that were the most used within the community.

One example of this would be the legendary OctaMED Sound Studio. You can run this on Amithlon via Paula emulation, or through Maestrix emulation. You can also run this on OS 4 through Maestrix emulation, but no matter what methods you use to try to get it up and running on MorphOS, your system is going to lock up!

I have brought this up on a few occasions, but alas, no one seemed to care enough to look into it, and I can assure you, I am not the only person out there who wants to see this running. In fact I know a few people who are interested in MorphOS, but do not want to jump on board because their favorite program will not work, or in other cases is not fully supported.

Hd-rec seems to be one of these. We can launch the program and play around with it, but alas we have no access to the MIDI side of things (unless their is something I am missing) again leaving us out in the cold. Though for what ever reason, OS 4 can take full advantage of it! And they can use the MIDI side of OctaMED S.S. as well.

Case in point (it pains me to watch this again so I won't be joining you this time):



Now, I would think, that perhaps the MorphOS team would want their users (even if they are the minority) to get the support they want, that is support that is within reason. I would think that they would perhaps look into this, maybe compare notes with Hyperion (assuming Hyperion plays friendly), and try to see what they can do to get their user's favorite software working. I mean, after all, we are paying customers, it's not like we are asking for a complete rewrite of the OS or anything to that effect. And assuming they took the time to work these things out, well they'd certainly have a few more users jump on board because after all, we never know when our precious real Amigas are going to bite the dust. In fact I am currently having a couple of mine re-capped.


Another point that I have brought up and will bring up again is there is software such as Digibooster 2 and the upcoming Digibooster 3 which from what I understand, has sampling capabilities. Now I understand that if I bought a huge ass eMac again that I could take advantage of that, or if I purchased a tower I could install a Sound Card and my problem would again be solved, but what of those people who do not have the physical space for such large computers, what of those who can not afford an additional computer to dedicate to each and every purpose. I mean after all I thought that the general road map was to attempt to create an Amiga compatible system that would suit one's every need, or at least most of them, the most basic ones.

The last I looked, USB, MIDI, Sound Sampling and so on are pretty basic needs. You don't have to have Windows or OS X to take advantage of those features, you can use an old Amiga, and Atari ST, a C64, Atari 8-bit, even DOS for most if not all of these needs, so this is not just something that has recently been added to OS' and hardware, and it certainly would not hurt for MorphOS to FULLY support they hardware that they began support for back in MorphOS version 2.7. I mean we are on 3.1 now after all. I took a few months off (because my eMac died) and recently came back only to find that some things had been improved, but those aspects that I looked forward to the most had not been touched at all, not a bit, despite all my posts in the forums.

We already have a good web browser and Fab is doing a terrific job to make it better. Our network stack seems perfectly fine to me, though I must say that wireless is LONG over due as I still can't even take this Mini on-line without plugging a cable into it.

As for flashed Radeon support...

OK, I guess I can see a need for that if you already owned a flashed card, otherwise, just buy one meant for your Mac. 3D is great and certainly improved, but...

I hardly think that gaming and entertainment should take priority over creativity and productivity.

Distracted, pretty girl started talking to me, will continue later.

[itix]

Originally Posted by XDelusion

3D is great and certainly improved, but...

I hardly think that gaming and entertainment should take priority over creativity and productivity.

I remember (this was about 10 years ago) when MorphOS didnt have 3D acceleration for Radeon cards there was somebody yelling how MorphOS could be taken seriously without 3D... to some user other things are more important that others.

The last I looked, USB, MIDI, Sound Sampling and so on are pretty basic needs. You don't have to have Windows or OS X to take advantage of those features, you can use an old Amiga, and Atari ST, a C64, Atari 8-bit, even DOS for most if not all of these needs, so this is not just something that has recently been added to OS' and hardware, and it certainly would not hurt for MorphOS to FULLY support they hardware that they began support for back in MorphOS version 2.7.

Neither my Amiga 500 or Commodore 64 support sound sampling or MIDI... :P as far as USB isochronous transfer support is concerned it is not something that very often. Anyway, I have no idea if isochronous transfer will be supported. It would be nice to have so Poseidon support would be complete but it is not my job.

Anyway, at least you have raised the issue. If nobody ever ask then nobody care...

Edit

For Maestrix emulation have you tried this:

http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/TheMaestrix

I dont have OctaMED SS so I cant try it out (and you probably already tried it?). If it doesnt work I dont know if there is something else blocking OctaMED SS but again... I never had that program.

To use MIDI you would need a computer with old style serial port (Pegasos 1/2 or Efika ?), it certainly is supported in MorphOS but to my understanding MIDI via USB would require isochronous support... so it comes back to USB then.