amiga.org
     
iconAll times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:14 PM. | Welcome to Forum, please register to access all of our features.

» Amiga.org » Amiga computer related discussion » Amiga Software Issues and Discussion » A500 and games (not working)

Amiga Software Issues and Discussion This forum exists for the discussion of the use, issues with, and fun brought about by classic and next generation Amiga software.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-16-2012, 04:47 AM   #31
nickoteen
Too much caffeine
Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21
Activity: 39% Activity: 39% Activity: 39%
 
nickoteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Croatia
Posts: 126
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Hvala.

What do you mean by "if the board has been modified ... " ? What board ? The morherboard ? I've seen it naked plenty of times so far and it doesn't look like it has been touched by anyone. No hw alterations as far as I can tell. How can one tell anyways ? Maybe I'm not looking at the right angle.

Last edited by nickoteen; 07-16-2012 at 05:47 AM..
nickoteen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 10:15 AM   #32
zipper
Kindred of Babble-on
Points: 12,588, Level: 73 Points: 12,588, Level: 73 Points: 12,588, Level: 73
Activity: 13% Activity: 13% Activity: 13%
 
zipper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: finland
Posts: 2,126
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

It's dead easy to control - type avail into shell. What does it output?
zipper is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 10:51 AM   #33
amiman99
Lifetime Member
Points: 3,592, Level: 37 Points: 3,592, Level: 37 Points: 3,592, Level: 37
Activity: 23% Activity: 23% Activity: 23%
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 536
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Can you tell me what is the exact filename of one of the ADF games that do not work and I can try it on one of my Amigas.
I know of one game "Final Fight" that refused to work on all of my Amigas until I got NTSC A1000. This was the only one that the Final Fight worked. I gont know why, my A500 was about same spec before I modified it to 1MB chip ram.
__________________
A500 KS 2.1, 1MB Chip, 68000
A600 KS 3.1, 2MB Chip, ACA630 32MB RAM
A1000 KS 1.3, 2MB RAM
A1200 KS 3.1, Blizzard IV 50MHz 64MB RAM
A2000 KS 2.1, 68030 25MHz, 6MB RAM
A3000 KS 3.1, 68030 25MHz, 16MB RAM
A4000 KS 3.0, 68040 25MHz, 16MB RAM
CDTV KS 3.1, 4MB RAM
CD32
AROS BOX
amiman99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 01:06 PM   #34
paul1981
Cult Member
Points: 4,167, Level: 41 Points: 4,167, Level: 41 Points: 4,167, Level: 41
Activity: 31% Activity: 31% Activity: 31%
 
paul1981's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: England
Posts: 610
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickoteen View Post
Hvala.

What do you mean by "if the board has been modified ... " ? What board ? The morherboard ? I've seen it naked plenty of times so far and it doesn't look like it has been touched by anyone. No hw alterations as far as I can tell. How can one tell anyways ? Maybe I'm not looking at the right angle.
He's referring to your A500 motherboard being modified. I don't know the exact procedure, but it's well documented. What this modification does is to turn your 512K trapdoor "fast ram" into "chip ram" (also called graphics memory) which results in 1MB chip ram.
Basically, some games require 1MB chip ram, in which case 512K chip and 512K fast just wouldn't work. This is where the motherboard modification comes in.
It's possible that some of your games are not working because you do not have enough chip ram available.

Last edited by paul1981; 07-16-2012 at 01:08 PM..
paul1981 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 01:38 PM   #35
nickoteen
Too much caffeine
Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21
Activity: 39% Activity: 39% Activity: 39%
 
nickoteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Croatia
Posts: 126
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Quote:
Originally Posted by amiman99 View Post
Can you tell me what is the exact filename of one of the ADF games that do not work and I can try it on one of my Amigas.
I know of one game "Final Fight" that refused to work on all of my Amigas until I got NTSC A1000. This was the only one that the Final Fight worked. I gont know why, my A500 was about same spec before I modified it to 1MB chip ram.
Ok, to name just a few:

Turrican II - The Final Fight_Disk1.adf
Syndicate_Disk1.adf
Cannon Fodder 2_Disk1.adf
Prince of Persia.adf
Lotus Turbo Challenge 2.adf

the intro loads fine, but afterwards it's just black screen and nothing happening.

Opposed to those, these work without any problems:

Another World_Disk1.adf (and 2)
Loom_Disk1.adf (2,3)
Leisure Suit Larry 1 - In the Land of the Lounge Lizards (remake)_Disk1.adf (2,3,4)
Dune_Disk1.adf (2,3)
Secret of Monkey Island, The_Disk1.adf (2,3,4)

and many others ...

Last edited by nickoteen; 07-16-2012 at 01:45 PM..
nickoteen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 01:43 PM   #36
nickoteen
Too much caffeine
Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21
Activity: 39% Activity: 39% Activity: 39%
 
nickoteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Croatia
Posts: 126
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zipper View Post
It's dead easy to control - type avail into shell. What does it output?
It outputs (amongst other things):

chip max: 523264
fast max: 524288
total : 1047552
nickoteen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 02:00 PM   #37
paul1981
Cult Member
Points: 4,167, Level: 41 Points: 4,167, Level: 41 Points: 4,167, Level: 41
Activity: 31% Activity: 31% Activity: 31%
 
paul1981's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: England
Posts: 610
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickoteen View Post
It outputs (amongst other things):

chip max: 523264
fast max: 524288
total : 1047552
So there you have it, you have an unmodified motherboard...512K CHIP, 512K FAST (trapdoor expansion).
paul1981 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2012, 07:26 PM   #38
amiman99
Lifetime Member
Points: 3,592, Level: 37 Points: 3,592, Level: 37 Points: 3,592, Level: 37
Activity: 23% Activity: 23% Activity: 23%
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 536
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

I tried "Turrican II - The Final Fight_Disk1.adf" in A500 rom 2.0, 1Meg chip, NTSC (this is normal A500 converted to A500+ with full ECS, I made a switch that I can boot in to PAL, I tested this game in PAL and it works fine too, music seems slower a bit) and A1000 Kick1.3, 512k chip, 1.5 Meg fast, NTSC, both work fine.
__________________
A500 KS 2.1, 1MB Chip, 68000
A600 KS 3.1, 2MB Chip, ACA630 32MB RAM
A1000 KS 1.3, 2MB RAM
A1200 KS 3.1, Blizzard IV 50MHz 64MB RAM
A2000 KS 2.1, 68030 25MHz, 6MB RAM
A3000 KS 3.1, 68030 25MHz, 16MB RAM
A4000 KS 3.0, 68040 25MHz, 16MB RAM
CDTV KS 3.1, 4MB RAM
CD32
AROS BOX
amiman99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2012, 12:24 AM   #39
orange
Kindred of Babble-on
Points: 18,002, Level: 85 Points: 18,002, Level: 85 Points: 18,002, Level: 85
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 
orange's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Serbia
Posts: 2,532
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

iirc, the games you listed as working require only 512K RAM (not sure about Another World though). I'd try more of 1Mb RAM games.
The 'usual procedure' is to re-seat all chips (or at least press down until you hear crack) and maybe replace capacitors, test voltages too.
There was also an "Advanced Amiga Analyzer", some of its tests can be used without extra hardware, perhaps it can help.
__________________
You`re here, Noŷs.
orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2012, 03:21 AM   #40
shef57
Merely Curious
Points: 35, Level: 1 Points: 35, Level: 1 Points: 35, Level: 1
Activity: 14% Activity: 14% Activity: 14%
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 7
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

yaaa its true , pam machine is really helpfull, its gamimg part ,
shef57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2012, 03:40 AM   #41
nickoteen
Too much caffeine
Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21
Activity: 39% Activity: 39% Activity: 39%
 
nickoteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Croatia
Posts: 126
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Quote:
Originally Posted by orange View Post
iirc, the games you listed as working require only 512K RAM (not sure about Another World though). I'd try more of 1Mb RAM games.
The 'usual procedure' is to re-seat all chips (or at least press down until you hear crack) and maybe replace capacitors, test voltages too.
There was also an "Advanced Amiga Analyzer", some of its tests can be used without extra hardware, perhaps it can help.
A bit lost here ... the avail command stated that I have 512kb chip and 512kb fast ram. You think there's something wrong with my ram ? Which one ? The one on the MB, or the one on the expansion card(s) ?
nickoteen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2012, 04:08 AM   #42
orange
Kindred of Babble-on
Points: 18,002, Level: 85 Points: 18,002, Level: 85 Points: 18,002, Level: 85
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 
orange's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Serbia
Posts: 2,532
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickoteen View Post
A bit lost here ... the avail command stated that I have 512kb chip and 512kb fast ram. You think there's something wrong with my ram ? Which one ? The one on the MB, or the one on the expansion card(s) ?
could be, have you tried problematic games without the expansion RAM?
__________________
You`re here, Noŷs.
orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2012, 09:12 AM   #43
nickoteen
Too much caffeine
Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21
Activity: 39% Activity: 39% Activity: 39%
 
nickoteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Croatia
Posts: 126
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Quote:
Originally Posted by orange View Post
could be, have you tried problematic games without the expansion RAM?
Yes. I've tried 'em without the extra ram. No go. I've pressed all the socketed chips until I heard a crack. Another no go. So, not a chip creep issue. I've even replaced the Denise chip with another one (don't ask me why, it sounded like a good idea at the moment), but it didn't work either.

To make the long story short ... some stuff works on my Amiga, some doesn't. I guess I'll just have to settle with what I've got.
nickoteen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2012, 04:09 PM   #44
orange
Kindred of Babble-on
Points: 18,002, Level: 85 Points: 18,002, Level: 85 Points: 18,002, Level: 85
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 
orange's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Serbia
Posts: 2,532
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

it is strange.. I'd run WhichAmiga in it and WinUAE, to make sure its the same config.
__________________
You`re here, Noŷs.
orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2012, 11:04 AM   #45
nickoteen
Too much caffeine
Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21 Points: 1,467, Level: 21
Activity: 39% Activity: 39% Activity: 39%
 
nickoteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Croatia
Posts: 126
Default Re: A500 and games (not working)

Ok. I'll try. Where can I get WhichAmiga ?
nickoteen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
a500 , games , working

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump