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[amigadave]

-D- wrote:
LCD is crisper, *if* running at the panel's native resolution. For 1024x768 (about what Amiga graphic cards like the PIV/CV/CV3D can handle and still remain somewhat snappy), you would need a 15" LCD. I suppose you could squeeze a 1280x1024 resolution WB, and use a 17" or 19" LCD.

CRT offers much better resolution scaling, which is why I prefer to use them with the classics. LCD smearing is also much worse at non-native resolution, another reason I like CRTs for gaming/watching demos on the classics. Properly set up, a good aperture grille CRT (Eizo, Lacie, etc) can have an absolutely STUNNING picture. Problem is, you need to find a good one, then potentially spend hours adjusting it to perfection. :/ Note that any screen much larger than 17" will make your games look blocky, also CRT flicker is more noticeable on larger screens.

A lot of this is subjective, best thing is to try both and let your eyes decide.

I just started using a 6 to 8 year old 19-inch LG 955e CRT again, that I had previously given to my Son to use with the AMD 64bit PC computer we had built for him a few years ago.

I had bought it new to replace my 17-inch MicroVitech Amiga branded multi-sync monitor that had died after a short two years of use (poor quality???) Even though the 17-inch Amiga monitor was huge for it's display size and the 19-inch LG is even bigger and takes up an enormous amount of desk space, both of them had/have beautiful displays when used with an Amiga. The LG cannot do the 15kHz modes like the Amiga monitor could, but with a flicker fixer, or graphics card, such as the PicassoII that I first used it with, it looks great. It only shows a maximum allowable resolution of 1024x768 from my new/used G4 MacMini, which surprised me as I thought it should go higher, but that is the same resolution I used most often when I had it hooked to my A4000 with the PicassoII card before giving it to my Son for the last 4 or so years. I can't wait to test it with my A4000T and my pre-ordered Indivision scan-doubler/flicker fixer when it arrives.

I think I would have agree and say that for old low resolution Amiga games, 15-inch to 19-inch CRT monitors would be the best choice for a display, even when a scan-doubler/flicker fixer is used.

[WeiXing3D]

May I ask how you made it work?

I just bought an A3000 (desktop), just like yours and I want to use an Acer L1716 monitor that I have sitting around my desk.

I hooked it up but I get no image. Just playing around, I connected my Shinco HDTV which has a VGA out connection and It worked, but the apps bar was kind of fuzzy.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by quarkx

I have use a native Commodore CRT and a LCD monitor with a stock A3000 unit. Using only the VGA out on the A 3000.
The LCD is WAY better and doesn't produce the flicker that the CRT did. I though I would have epilictic fits if i had to go through that for any length of time. The down side is the resolution is not good enough for wall paper pictures, but it is clean and sharp for a solid background.

[blanghorst]

Originally Posted by WeiXing3D

May I ask how you made it work?

I just bought an A3000 (desktop), just like yours and I want to use an Acer L1716 monitor that I have sitting around my desk.

I hooked it up but I get no image. Just playing around, I connected my Shinco HDTV which has a VGA out connection and It worked, but the apps bar was kind of fuzzy.

Thanks.

I've got my A3000 hooked up to an Acer AL1916W and it worked without having to make any special changes. I was going to recommend that you ensure your Amber is enabled, but it seems that it is if you can get it to work on your TV.

[WeiXing3D]

Originally Posted by blanghorst

I've got my A3000 hooked up to an Acer AL1916W and it worked without having to make any special changes. I was going to recommend that you ensure your Amber is enabled, but it seems that it is if you can get it to work on your TV.

My HDTV has a VGA connection, so I thought the Acer L1716 would work just fine, but it wasn't the case. Where do I go to ensure that my Amber is enabled; sorry but I am totally rusted and rediscovering the Amiga environment again. Thanks.

[ral-clan]

Originally Posted by WeiXing3D

My HDTV has a VGA connection, so I thought the Acer L1716 would work just fine, but it wasn't the case. Where do I go to ensure that my Amber is enabled; sorry but I am totally rusted and rediscovering the Amiga environment again. Thanks.

Did you flick the flicker-fixer/scan-doubler switch on the back of the A3000 to make sure it is enabled?

[blanghorst]

Originally Posted by WeiXing3D

My HDTV has a VGA connection, so I thought the Acer L1716 would work just fine, but it wasn't the case. Where do I go to ensure that my Amber is enabled; sorry but I am totally rusted and rediscovering the Amiga environment again. Thanks.

There is a toggle switch on the back, next to the VGA port. I believe there is also a trim pot there as well to help clean up the display.

[Motormouth]

Originally Posted by save2600

I'm sure you guys are right, but it has been my experience that (out of the box) CRT's look sharper and more natural than LCD's, whether you're using native modes, video cards or not. Having said that, I have never tweaked the monitor settings to death either. I suspect one would have to play with the pixel clock? or other settings in order to get a decent image out of LCD and an Amiga.

And then there is the widescreen aspect, which really sucks with Amiga. I'm about to purchase a 4:3 LCD for my Amiga, but am already anticipating disappointment compared to my trusty CRT.

First, good thread. I agree with you save2600, the CRTs have much better contrast and color reproduction than LCD. Just look at a web site like tomshardware or Anandtech and one can see the poor color and contract offered by today's monitors.

That said these mass produced things are cheap, $100-130 buys a 2 million pixel monitor.

Anyone have experience getting picasso96, GCX, or native (ECS,AGA) with working wide screen formats, either (854x480, 1280x720, 1366x768, or 1920x1080)? I have seen LCD picasso96 monitor configs and wide screen native drivers out there. Has anyone used them? what are your experiences?

Originally Posted by barney

Thanks for the replies. What does PIV stand for? Just curious.

Barney

PIV = Picasso IV
CV64 = Cybervision 64
CD643d = Cybervision 64/3d (not the same as CV64)
PII = Picasso II
PII+ = Picasso II+

These five card make up some of the more common RTG cards out there.

There are more including A2410, GVP Spectrum, Merlin, etc. look at the big book of amiga hardware or amiga hardware database.

Other non zorro RTG cards include CyberVision PPC and BlizzardVision PPC which connect to the cyberstorm ppc and blizzard PPC cards.

Also there are several PCI busboards out there that can handle voodoo 3 (sometimes 4 and 5) S3 virge (dx), and radeon 9200 (9250) PCI based chipsets.

[Motormouth]

@WeiXing3D

A little off topic. I like your ultraman avatar.