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[Digiman]

I was given a contact for a company that could possibly reproduce a keyboard layout identical to both C64 and Amiga. Will be interesting to get quotes.

[utri007]

For those who doesn't see NG Amigas (PPC) as a solution, best way to support hobby would be finance Natami and try to get it manufactured in right place (China)

[itix]

Originally Posted by utri007

For those who doesn't see NG Amigas (PPC) as a solution, best way to support hobby would be finance Natami and try to get it manufactured in right place (China)

It wouldnt make this product any cheaper.

[takemehomegrandma]

Originally Posted by Digiman

But then nothing else for sale today counts Commodore died in 1994 and real Amigas died with them

True!

I merely notice how some people (not necessarily you of course ) are totally blind brand-name followers the one day, prepared to throw thousands of dollars at mindless and absolutely insane HW projects with a buggy and incomplete OS that seems to be forever in beta, while not even wanting to have a look at the technical merits and specifications of projects like AROS and MorphOS since they are not Amiga(TM) and is as relevant to them as Windows or Linux because of them lacking the trade mark (technical merits has nothing to do with it), only to the other day make a 180 degree U-turn in their view of the significance of the trade mark as soon as some products will use the trade marks without the technical merits! First the trade mark is the only thing that matters, not any technical merits. Then it's suddenly the technical merits that matters (as long as it isn't AROS or MorphOS of course ), *not* the trade mark (which of course *still* matters to them anyway in some weird way, it's... eh, "complicated" )!

CUSA has really shaken the ground the BAF's stand on, the massive reactions on Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net are proof of that, and I think this is a *huge* "LOL"!

Anyway (to reconnect to the topic of this thread); the real accomplishment of CUSA is obviously *not* putting some random, rudimentary x86 motherboard in a case! As you say, anyone can do that! The real accomplishment comes down to the rights to use the trade marks. CUSA's rights to the Amiga brand is far better than Hyperion's for example, and the Commodore brand has only been in people's fantasies until CUSA made it happen. Putting these two together is *not* something trivial.

To me, the trade mark couldn't be less important though, it was a decade or more since the Amiga name completely lost its meaning to me, and even longer for the Commodore one. But I wouldn't belittle this accomplishment, and I think it can mean solid cash to CUSA for the right kind of product combination. But obviously not from the "Amiga community", but that's not important, nobody can make a living out of this bunch of people anyway. A much too small group, and to crazy/religious for any rational entity to get involved with. It's the Church of the Holy Amiga! And the Friedens are its God's, Ben Herman is its messiah, and ssolie & Co are preaching the truth to its followers, and everyone interfering or disturbing the peace with boring things as rationality, is quickly branded infidels and blasphemer's. I very much doubt that CUSA would want to get involved too much with that, there isn't anything for them to gain anyway, so all these "CUSA rage threads" are kind of pointless and is only spamming the boards.

I would be happy with building myself an A1200 lookalike machine that allows me to play Amiga games with a Zipstick If nobody else would like one that's cool.

I don't understand this fetish some people have for computers in a keyboard? Those things sucks! I can see how it made sense back in the early days of computing, and back then people didn't know better anyway. But today? No, give me a true Amiga 3000 *replica* case, or 4000, or even 4000T! And I mean *reaplica* as a true replication of the exterior (the internals should of course follow the ATX standards), minus the trade mark stickers of course (you wouldn't get the rights to use them anyway, unless you partner up with CUSA of course ); I will put the blue butterfly stickers there myself!

But then again, I think you *vastly* underestimates the efforts and resources needed to make something like the C64x case, and I doubt very much you would succeed (and no, I'm not interested in a "Soviet Tank" style case made of bent sheet metal that looks like your 12 year old kid brought home from some crafting class at school )...

Heck, I think you even underestimate the effort and resources needed to put up a solid, sustainable business of simply "putting some random, rudimentary x86 motherboard in a case", but good luck...!

[persia]

I really don't get the computer in a keyboard fetish either. The first thing I did with my 1200s is put them in a proper tower. Great computers, dumb concept. I hate wires going to keyboards, I've had some form of wireless keyboard an my main computes for over a decade.

I also question the value of the commodore and amiga names to the average person. To a lot of people familiar with the original commodore think of it as cheap plastic crap. Ask the average person what computer means quality a Dell, an HP or a commodore and 99 out of a 100 will say either dell or hp....

[tone007]

I think the Tandy name needs to come back, now those were real computers!

[clusteruk]

The main problem is everybody wants a different kind of case, with different motherboards, divide that into the size of community and it is a recipe for financial disaster.

My gut feeling is the fantasy case made to take itx size motherboards, ie. Intel Atom/ion for Aros and Sam for AmigaOS would be the way to go if I had the cash to fund another project.

Personally as I am trying to get Aros onto Raspberry Pi the same case would be amazing to go with that card as well. But the only problem will be the keyboard.

[dammy]

Originally Posted by persia

I would like an A1000 replica please.

Don't know what Daddy is planning, but getting the C= A1000X out this year is Leo's baby.

[paolone]

Originally Posted by Tripitaka

I would be more concerned that Digiman could be considered an OEM making a computer with an "Amiga-like OS" myself, that could be an issue.

Is Digiman hired by or anyhow connected to Amiga Inc? Has I got a license from Amiga Inc? Is him going to sell Amiga branded computers?

The answer to all these questions is NO, so there is absolutely NO PROBLEM in being a OEM making a computer with an Amiga-like OS.

[Digiman]

I know a lot of people, generally speaking not just Amigans, who don't like the old A500/600/1200 style of computer.

I would go one further and say given regular computer buyers/first time computer buyers only have the option of purchasing LCD monitors and an LCD monitor on top of a desktop case doesn't work either.

It's not about getting HP or Lenovo etc to make AIO keyboards again it's about nostalgia. Having a machine that looks 99% like <favourite Amiga> and you can play your favourite Amiga games on or write stuff in Blitz Basic with.

I always said this is all a fact finding exercise really, because what case you try and replicate and which OS you put on their is immaterial. The same company who would be able to make you an Amiga 1200 case would also be able to make you an Amiga 1000 or 3000 case too. I don't even own an A3000 case anyway at the moment and I would need to own at least an empty A3000 case to do technical specifications for any discussions with a case manufacturer.

Also, as it is more like a kit than a car driven away from a showroom the same ethos applies regarding the most optimistic outcome of what I may be able to offer people who share a common dream with me. I may start with an A1200 case in white with a white keyboard but there is no reason why it can not end in an A3000 case with an Amiga layout keyboard too. The skills are there it's a matter of investment over return. I can't justify building myself an Amiga 1000 alon

The cases are the first step, without this all we would have is a Mac Mini case rip-off with some free case engraving like *you know who*

Just going to prove you don't have to be as rich as Mr BS to not cock up the Amiga project so badly and if they wanted to could have given the same effort as the C64x

[Digiman]

Originally Posted by paolone

Is Digiman hired by or anyhow connected to Amiga Inc? Has I got a license from Amiga Inc? Is him going to sell Amiga branded computers?

The answer to all these questions is NO, so there is absolutely NO PROBLEM in being a OEM making a computer with an Amiga-like OS.

No I will be creating the "Amigar 1200"

[utri007]

I don't understand those who doesn't understand why some people want to spend their money to things they want to have and want to tell repeatedly how stupid an almost insane those people are . I belive those people have some kind of megalomaniac personality disorder, because they themself so much smarter and more intelligent than others, without any respect of them.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by takemehomegrandma

True!

I merely notice how some people (not necessarily you of course ) are totally blind brand-name followers the one day, prepared to throw thousands of dollars at mindless and absolutely insane HW projects with a buggy and incomplete OS that seems to be forever in beta, while not even wanting to have a look at the technical merits and specifications of projects like AROS and MorphOS

Maybe some people are simply put off by the hostile attitudes of supporters such as yourself.

[wrath of khan]

Originally Posted by Digiman

I know a lot of people, generally speaking not just Amigans, who don't like the old A500/600/1200 style of computer.

I would go one further and say given regular computer buyers/first time computer buyers only have the option of purchasing LCD monitors and an LCD monitor on top of a desktop case doesn't work either.

It's not about getting HP or Lenovo etc to make AIO keyboards again it's about nostalgia. Having a machine that looks 99% like <favourite Amiga> and you can play your favourite Amiga games on or write stuff in Blitz Basic with.

I always said this is all a fact finding exercise really, because what case you try and replicate and which OS you put on their is immaterial. The same company who would be able to make you an Amiga 1200 case would also be able to make you an Amiga 1000 or 3000 case too. I don't even own an A3000 case anyway at the moment and I would need to own at least an empty A3000 case to do technical specifications for any discussions with a case manufacturer.

Also, as it is more like a kit than a car driven away from a showroom the same ethos applies regarding the most optimistic outcome of what I may be able to offer people who share a common dream with me. I may start with an A1200 case in white with a white keyboard but there is no reason why it can not end in an A3000 case with an Amiga layout keyboard too. The skills are there it's a matter of investment over return. I can't justify building myself an Amiga 1000 alon

The cases are the first step, without this all we would have is a Mac Mini case rip-off with some free case engraving like *you know who*

Just going to prove you don't have to be as rich as Mr BS to not cock up the Amiga project so badly and if they wanted to could have given the same effort as the C64x

Im more interested in an a500/a1200/a600 style case or the Amiga fantasy case which looks perfect.Ive heard making moulds for injection moulding is quite costly though.If you can accomplish making such a case from plastic would you consider contacting the Team Natami guys? Because this community is quite small synergy between different groups is i believe essential for many reasons.Many people are interested in Natami too so any product that could serve the needs of your project and say Natami would be mutually beneficial.A wider customer base would then be able to support your product financially and otherwise. Im more of a classic amiga fan so natami is my preferred system fingers crossed team natami succeed.
Your project interests me too and I will be following it closely I like the sound of an a1200 like case/system.

[wrath of khan]

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