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Old 04-22-2012, 08:33 PM   #81
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I dont know how this thread degraded too, but if users think that they can petition a company to release something they paid good money for to bury its rather silly to begin with?
A petition will probably only work if each user puts a small amount of $$$ to finally make up a large amount of $$$ to purchase the rights to the documentation from Jen's *if he wishes to sell it in exchange for money*
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:11 PM   #82
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Buying something just to bury it is a **** thing to do to a community that provides him with a living.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:56 PM   #83
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A petition will probably only work if each user puts a small amount of $$$ to finally make up a large amount of $$$ to purchase the rights to the documentation from Jen's *if he wishes to sell it in exchange for money*
If all Classics lovers give only 10 , we can reach a beautifull jackpot. For me, I'm ok to give 50 ...
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:50 AM   #84
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If all Classics lovers give only 10 , we can reach a beautifull jackpot. For me, I'm ok to give 50 ...
Well theres 23 ppl who have signed the petition..

I would think at least each person puts in 80 then thats an amount of money that might start to make someone pause and think? Dunno but with all classic users they would prefer to get documentation for free close to nothing..
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:01 AM   #85
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Buying something just to bury it is a **** thing to do to a community that provides him with a living.
You can't really believe that Jens income is basically from the hardware he makes for the Amiga community do you?
Amiga is a hobby for Jens and he creates hardware because he likes to.
OK he gets some money from time to time, but profitwise, his mk1 Indivision series was not SUCH a profit for him based on his sayings. A1200 mk1 version was indeed profitable, but the A4000/CD32 version took 3 years to sell out and his ECS series didn't go as well as he planned.
I'm not a businessman myself but I guess investing to something that MIGHT give you some ROI back in 3 years... is a bad investment.
Recently he announced also that his has another field of income and way more profitable.

I really hope you'll gain something with this petition but I certainly doubt it.
Jens bought the rights and schematics for the Apollo boards just to get rid of them from the community. As he said numerous times, Apollo's weren't made (at least from his POV) right and created only fuss and grief to it's owners (especially the Apollo 630 which he hates deadly lol).
I can't judge his own perspective although I tend to disagree with his attitude from time to time.
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:54 AM   #86
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Perhaps Jens will not give his datas because some people can easily make money with his files.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:04 AM   #87
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Perhaps Jens will not give his datas because some people can easily make money with his files.
Or they are so terrible, Jens is embarrassed to have them released :-)
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:16 AM   #88
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I think that making a batch of Mach131 chips for A1240 and A3040/4040 would be great... Those chips are cheap now and it could make happy some Amiga users (including me) who did not have any problem with ex ACT's Apollo products. I do not know why Jens does not want to provide this solution... He always says that Apollo are unstable (that is not true) and they have bad design (I agree with him on that point, mainly for their scsi). But I do not think it is the right reason.

Apollo's are part of the Amiga history, especially for 040/060 accelerators. It is a shame that someone decide to let them die like this.

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Old 04-23-2012, 03:36 PM   #89
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Well theres 23 ppl who have signed the petition..
Actually, the total is 30 by now.
I hope we reach 100+ by the end of the petition scheduled for the 31th of May.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:27 PM   #90
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Apollo's are part of the Amiga history, especially for 040/060 accelerators. It is a shame that someone decide to let them die like this.
Apollos may be a part of Amiga history, but I, for one, am glad they will be killed. I owned three Apollo boards, and each of them were terribly unstable and unreliable. I'd have killed them, myself, given an opportunity.

Having said that, they seem to be like Compaq or Windows Vista: you either absolutely love it or absolutely hate it. None the less, my Blizzards and CyberStorm are far more reliable and compatible, for that matter.

As to whether Jens intended to kill them off or not, I'd like to see his statements to that effect. I'd like to think that, given his massive contributions to the community, he may be interested in taking them and improving upon the designs for future product. But then if they really are shyt and he really does want them dead, well, so be it. I didn't see anyone else stepping forward to claim the designs for themselves.

Are for everyone who's signing up, good for you guys. Even if it's a moot point, all power to those who believe in a cause.

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Old 04-23-2012, 09:55 PM   #91
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Maybe give schemes of "how to make your own apollo" is a bit excesive, but the possibilities of make their own open firmwares to abandoned hardware like the first indivision ist good.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:37 AM   #92
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*SIGHS*

I *REALLY* wish people would stop using the words "racist" and "racism." There's *NO* such thing. We're *ALL* the same frakking "race"! Homo Sapien. There are different *ETHNIC* groups and therefore, there's *ETHNIC* hate.

And no offense, but *EVERY* Country has people mired in ethnic hatred.....

Homo Sapiens is a species. Believe it or not, racism (whether the concept of race among humans is a social construct and taxonomically irrelevant) is a problem that I don't think you should brush off over an argument about semantics. Everyone is only part of the same race by a very limited sense of the word.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:45 AM   #93
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Thanks to all to come back to the topic. All of this started because someone said that a part of the petition was not written in English... This petition has started on our main French Amiga forum, that's why Xanxi decided to take a French site (and partially translated in English on top of that).

Now if you cannot make an effort to use tools such as Google translation or other things during 1 minute... I have no word to describe how you are lazy. And if you do not want to help us, please do not reply here.
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:28 AM   #94
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Now if you cannot make an effort to use tools such as Google translation or other things during 1 minute... I have no word to describe how you are lazy. And if you do not want to help us, please do not reply here.
I have to repsond to this, because it is so wrong in so many ways.
Look if you have a product you need to sell, then you have to realise, that it is not the consumers responsibility to meet you, but it is your responsibility to meet the consummer.

It does not say anything about our lazynes, but rather yours, just translate it to english right away.
Why not just admit it, you made a boo-boo stop trying to defend it, do something about it instead.
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Old 04-24-2012, 05:07 AM   #95
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Your post is useless again and again...
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Old 04-24-2012, 05:51 AM   #96
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Your post is useless again and again...
In your eyes it might look useless as you dont seem to accept mild criticism but to the rest of us it's far from useless. It invited a reponce and the responce received show the rest of us what type of person you are. Thumbs up.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:03 AM   #97
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What kind of response ?? it is not our website, it cannot be translated in swedish, english, japanese or whatever you want. There is already 30+ signatures, we will not start again.

This thread is for the Amiga community, replying such a way is not reflecting this community and does not help in anyway the Apollo users...

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Old 04-24-2012, 06:16 AM   #98
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There is no need to continue to argue with our nordic friends here whom obviously don't want to sign this petiton. Everything is translated on the first post for those can not use Google Translate.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:42 PM   #99
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CrashMidnick >> I am to old for this kind of debating.
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CrashMidnick >> I am to old for this kind of debating.
Ah, it could be worse. It could be in Dutch.
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