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[B00tDisk]

This thread is bottomless awesome. It's like a jumbo container package of Instant *******. Just add users.

[darkage]

Haha! I dont know how we got from Jens please release the Apollo documents to French Fries...

Maybe if we give Jen's a 1 year supply of french fries he might release the Apollo documents ???

You know it would be very funny if Jens was eating french fries at this moment..

[magnetic]

I dont know how this thread degraded too, but if users think that they can petition a company to release something they paid good money for to bury its rather silly to begin with?

[Iggy]

[QUOTE=darkage;690107
Maybe if we give Jen's a 1 year supply of french fries he might release the Apollo documents [/QUOTE]


Yep Mag,
This was silly to begin with, so whatever its degraded into, let's have fun with it.

If Bigfoot wants pizza, why not fries for Jens?

[magnetic]

Iggy
Right. Bigfoot wanted pizza because he works FOR FREE. Jens makes a living with his company. Bigfoot has a real job and does morphos work for free afaik

[darkage]

Originally Posted by magnetic

I dont know how this thread degraded too, but if users think that they can petition a company to release something they paid good money for to bury its rather silly to begin with?

A petition will probably only work if each user puts a small amount of $$$ to finally make up a large amount of $$$ to purchase the rights to the documentation from Jen's *if he wishes to sell it in exchange for money*

[swoslover]

Buying something just to bury it is a **** thing to do to a community that provides him with a living.

[Cosmos]

Originally Posted by darkage

A petition will probably only work if each user puts a small amount of $$$ to finally make up a large amount of $$$ to purchase the rights to the documentation from Jen's *if he wishes to sell it in exchange for money*

If all Classics lovers give only 10 €, we can reach a beautifull jackpot. For me, I'm ok to give 50 €...

[darkage]

Originally Posted by Cosmos

If all Classics lovers give only 10 €, we can reach a beautifull jackpot. For me, I'm ok to give 50 €...

Well theres 23 ppl who have signed the petition..

I would think at least each person puts in 80 € then thats an amount of money that might start to make someone pause and think? Dunno but with all classic users they would prefer to get documentation for free close to nothing..

[mfilos]

Originally Posted by swoslover

Buying something just to bury it is a **** thing to do to a community that provides him with a living.

You can't really believe that Jens income is basically from the hardware he makes for the Amiga community do you?
Amiga is a hobby for Jens and he creates hardware because he likes to.
OK he gets some money from time to time, but profitwise, his mk1 Indivision series was not SUCH a profit for him based on his sayings. A1200 mk1 version was indeed profitable, but the A4000/CD32 version took 3 years to sell out and his ECS series didn't go as well as he planned.
I'm not a businessman myself but I guess investing to something that MIGHT give you some ROI back in 3 years... is a bad investment.
Recently he announced also that his has another field of income and way more profitable.

I really hope you'll gain something with this petition but I certainly doubt it.
Jens bought the rights and schematics for the Apollo boards just to get rid of them from the community. As he said numerous times, Apollo's weren't made (at least from his POV) right and created only fuss and grief to it's owners (especially the Apollo 630 which he hates deadly lol).
I can't judge his own perspective although I tend to disagree with his attitude from time to time.

[VingtTrois]

Perhaps Jens will not give his datas because some people can easily make money with his files.

[EvilGuy]

Originally Posted by VingtTrois

Perhaps Jens will not give his datas because some people can easily make money with his files.

Or they are so terrible, Jens is embarrassed to have them released :-)

[CrashMidnick]

I think that making a batch of Mach131 chips for A1240 and A3040/4040 would be great... Those chips are cheap now and it could make happy some Amiga users (including me) who did not have any problem with ex ACT's Apollo products. I do not know why Jens does not want to provide this solution... He always says that Apollo are unstable (that is not true) and they have bad design (I agree with him on that point, mainly for their scsi). But I do not think it is the right reason.

Apollo's are part of the Amiga history, especially for 040/060 accelerators. It is a shame that someone decide to let them die like this.

[Xanxi]

Originally Posted by darkage

Well theres 23 ppl who have signed the petition..

Actually, the total is 30 by now.
I hope we reach 100+ by the end of the petition scheduled for the 31th of May.

[LoadWB]

Originally Posted by CrashMidnick

Apollo's are part of the Amiga history, especially for 040/060 accelerators. It is a shame that someone decide to let them die like this.

Apollos may be a part of Amiga history, but I, for one, am glad they will be killed. I owned three Apollo boards, and each of them were terribly unstable and unreliable. I'd have killed them, myself, given an opportunity.

Having said that, they seem to be like Compaq or Windows Vista: you either absolutely love it or absolutely hate it. None the less, my Blizzards and CyberStorm are far more reliable and compatible, for that matter.

As to whether Jens intended to kill them off or not, I'd like to see his statements to that effect. I'd like to think that, given his massive contributions to the community, he may be interested in taking them and improving upon the designs for future product. But then if they really are shyt and he really does want them dead, well, so be it. I didn't see anyone else stepping forward to claim the designs for themselves.

Are for everyone who's signing up, good for you guys. Even if it's a moot point, all power to those who believe in a cause.