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[HammerD]

Originally Posted by Bodie

What improvements did Umilator (was it called that???) bring?

http://www.umilator.net/blog/features.shtml

[Bodie]

Originally Posted by HammerD

http://www.umilator.net/blog/features.shtml

Thx

[fishy_fiz]

I wonder if a bounty would be possible to release the amithlon sources. Seemed a bit of a tangled mess legally, but I dont recall who owned the sources. Same question of Umiliator. Apart from classics aros and amithlon/os3.9 have always been my drug of choice. Would be brilliant to be able to merge the 2 using aros kickstart replacement and big endian x86 to merge 68k and x86 seemlessly ala os4/mos. Granted it wont be as fast as "normal" LE x86, but amithlon using solely 68k code is competitive with os4 and mos running ppc code, so any extra speed it provides is just a bonus.

Has anyone seen the topic bought up before (if it'd be possible to obtain sources)? Id be interested to know if its worth pursuing.

[Aussiholden]

Wow, those videos of Bernie bring back memories, I was there when he was demoing Amithlon, went completely over my head, I gave him the game Foundation to try and see how it would go, after he had improved it, still crashed it, lol.

[TheBilgeRat]

Found this while reading up on the backstory of this disaster:

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulat...rionblast.html

Wow.

[Heiroglyph]

What a laughable argument, lose all commercial developers because Windows is available.

Windows is ALWAYS available. A Wndows PC is cheap enough to assume that you just have one. It's like assuming you have a screwdriver when you buy hardware.

What does hurt is having no affordable hardware and for many years, no hardware at all. I won't even go into how outdated the available hardware is at any price.

What are we left with using this strategy, less than a dozen commercial applications, most of which aren't actively being developed?

There are far more x86 developers, many of which would like a niche market to get away from windows competition, but aren't up for investing thousands of dollars to even test the waters.

When Amithlon was available, the last decent 3rd party development spike happened. Remember all the people adding specific x86 extensions?

It seems like having any stake in "the name" drops your IQ immediately, taking any business sense with it.

[runequester]

Originally Posted by TheBilgeRat

Found this while reading up on the backstory of this disaster:

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulat...rionblast.html

Wow.

I guess someone needs to tell Red Hat and IBM that it's impossible to make money on non-windows software.

[TheBilgeRat]

An ability to promote 3.9 on cheap hardware to a community that still remembered Amiga... Sounds like a crap idea.

[rdolores]

Originally Posted by TheBilgeRat

Found this while reading up on the backstory of this disaster:

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/emulat...rionblast.html

Wow.

Ben Herman's was completely off regarding his comments on Mac OSX on X86. Not only did OSX migrate to the x86 platform, but it became a great success more so than if it had remained on PPC. The Amiga could have blazed the same path even before the Mac, with Amithlon as the bridge. Cheap and available hardware did not kill OSX. And the software developers did not abandon the Mac when it changed platforms. He was even wrong on Linux. Ubuntu and others have had quite a bit of success with Linux desktop. And quite a bit of native software was developed for it (OpenOffice, Firefox, Flash and Acrobat, Java). However, all was not lost. AROS has made incredible progress in developing an x86 Amiga environment. Every new release is more stable, faster, and feature rich. I really like the OWB browser on the latest release of Icaros Desktop.

[runequester]

Originally Posted by TheBilgeRat

An ability to promote 3.9 on cheap hardware to a community that still remembered Amiga... Sounds like a crap idea.

yeah, nobody wants cheap computers

[Rodomoc]

Originally Posted by Heiroglyph

What a laughable argument, lose all commercial developers because Windows is available.

A strange argument at best. 68k needed to die (according to some) and the 'players' involved made sure it did exactly that. PPC was the deemed future, not a much faster 68K running on widely available / inexpensive x86 hardware. (makes way too much sense) So since then, any major momentum in 68k was snuffed.

Meanwhile, 68k is still alive despite the 'players' wishes and their many actions. People run the original hardware or emulate it on a variety of hardware platforms. And it does still recieve software and hardware development! Many thanks to those continuing to make these things 68K things happen.

[number6]

@thread


Although there have been many retellings of the story, this one from Bernie is fairly complete:

October 7, 2007

Keep in mind this is years before the AI/Hyperion settlement.

A bit more about a month later

More from July, 2008

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