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Old 04-05-2012, 11:01 AM   #121
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2)Shaders....
Oh yes that would be useful.
It could be implemented in later versions of MorphOS.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:05 AM   #122
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Here's a question, could some sort of FPGA based USB 3 or PCI expansion board be created to substitute for the lack of the classic chip set on future MorphOS hardware (in theory).

If possible, AROS and OS 4 could benefit from this as well.
This was discussed back in 2000'ish. I seem to remember the original Escena AmigaOne design included a connection to the A1200 motherboard for just this purpose - access to the custom chips.

I can't see any benefit it would hold now, emulation is so much easier and probably more compatible.
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This was discussed back in 2000'ish. I seem to remember the original Escena AmigaOne design included a connection to the A1200 motherboard for just this purpose - access to the custom chips.

I can't see any benefit it would hold now, emulation is so much easier and probably more compatible.
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/prototypes/amigaone1.html

Added a linky to Lando's post, he remembers correctly.

I would rather see a Natami-on-a board add-on for OS4 and MOS machines than a standard AGA add-on to be honest. That would be interesting.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:37 AM   #124
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http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/prototypes/amigaone1.html

added a linky to lando's post, he remembers correctly.

I would rather see a natami-on-a board add-on for os4 and mos machines than a standard aga add-on to be honest. That would be interesting.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:43 PM   #125
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Currently 133MHz, but as of next Monday 167MHz.
I'm also sitting on a couple of R400 based cards that have been modified to work in a G4 Mac.
Impressive! It's amazing how fast machines with such low Bus Speed (by today's standards) can perform with the right OS/Software!
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:46 PM   #126
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Just my 2 cents...... I like winuae better than ether of these
And for that you must have a love for Windows...

...which again it is that lack of that love that many of us chose Amiga over Windows and Mac OS so many years ago.

Mind you, I do have a Windows machine for Video/Audio Editing, and Gaming, but I don't use WinUAE except as a means to read and write to my Amiga Hard Drives (SD/CF cards). It just feels wrong to use it for anything else when my machines are perfectly capable of playing all the games and running all the apps on their own, but alas, to each their own. Glad you are enjoying your self....

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Old 04-05-2012, 12:50 PM   #127
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This doesn't bother me (yet). There are no apps or games for MorphOS that I was not able to run and run well even on my meager piece of crap eMachine.

What I expect from an OS is a fluid and flexible GUI, a stable environment, and for it to be friendly with the resources, not to mention to have a nice collection of practical software.

MorphOS delivers in that arena RIGHT NOW. AROS on the other hand is still catching up, despite it's ability to run on faster more modern processors.

Speaking of which, I have a 2.6Ghz machine at home that I've been able to over clock to 3.4Ghz. I use it to run Haiku and AROS, just as I run both on my Eee PC 900. So don't get me wrong, I am an AROS user, I do donate to the Magellan bounty, but I'm more impressed by MorphOS in the long run.


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Aros runs on all x86 CPUs from Pentium 3 to i7 PCs but MOS will not run on a G5 Mac so if we compare progress of Aros Intel i7 vs Powermac G5 Mos config clearly the truth is Mos is still on a tiny scale compared to Aros's ambitious PC configurations supported. When MOS is running on every Mac desktop and laptop from G3 to G5 and Intel x86 Macs let me know

For me the issue is the PPC requirement, Commodore never made a PPC Amiga, Native OS for PPC or even A4000 upgrade card so Mos + UAE running on smelly old 90s Macs from a dumpster is no more "Amiga" than Aros + WinUAE running on a brand new dodgy brand of PC.

Mos is a hobby OS which costs more than Win7 and needs the inferior [to WinUAE] UAE emulator to run 90% of Amiga software.

Each to their own, but OS4/Mos are a waste of money IMO (just like Clownto's Amiga [shaft you] Forever is)
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:03 PM   #128
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Impressive! It's amazing how fast machines with such low Bus Speed (by today's standards) can perform with the right OS/Software!
Actually, I'm amazed at how long we held on to such crappy expansion standards.

33MHz PCI slots? Argh!
If you calculate out the additional bandwidth, PCIe is a Godsend.
PCIe 2.0 even better, and PCIe 3.0 incredible.

Think about it, I've got a 1.53GHz processor operating on a 133MHz bus.
That's a rediculous I/O bottleneck.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:06 PM   #129
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"Originally Posted by Digiman
Aros runs on all x86 CPUs from Pentium 3 to i7 PCs"

Yeah, if you want to run on one quarter of the processor, AROS will run on an i7.
Its a pointless misuse of a multicore processor, but it can be done.

"Commodore never made a PPC Amiga"

Who the f*ck cares? You guys act like Commodore was something special.
They didn't design the Amiga, they bought it.
And when it came time to enhance and develop it, they flubbed it up.

WE dictate the direction(s) that our community develop into now.
I, for one, am proud of that.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:13 PM   #130
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Mind you, I do have a Windows machine for Video/Audio Editing, and Gaming, but I don't use WinUAE except as a means to read and write to my Amiga Hard Drives (SD/CF cards). It just feels wrong to use it for anything else when my machines are perfectly capable of playing all the games and running all the apps on their own, but alas, to each their own. Glad you are enjoying your self....

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He he he.
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And I don't use WinUAE either.
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And for that you must have a love for Windows...

...which again it is that lack of that love that many of us chose Amiga over Windows and Mac OS so many years ago.
in truth i run E-UAE since i have only used fedora for many years. I only boot up windows when I have too, which thankfully is not much. However it must be said, if good reasonably priced hardware came out that ran some real amiga OS or something close, I would use it.
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Yeah, if you want to run on one quarter of the processor, AROS will run on an i7.
Its a pointless misuse of a multicore processor, but it can be done.
Don't think Morphos or any other amiga-like OS is doing better in that regard; only their CPUs are a little slower.
Nothing is stopping you from starting 4 AROS hosted versions under Linux though

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Old 04-05-2012, 03:23 PM   #133
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Don't think Morphos or any other amiga-like OS is doing better in that regard; only their CPUs are a little slower.
Nothing is stopping you from starting 4 AROS hosted versions under Linux though

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But...

I would rather avoid using Linux...


Though I still wanna see that AROS/Linux distro see the light of day.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:31 PM   #134
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Don't think Morphos or any other amiga-like OS is doing better in that regard; only their CPUs are a little slower.
Nothing is stopping you from starting 4 AROS hosted versions under Linux though

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Actually Staf,
You have a point. And I have an AROS box with a single core Athlon64 running at 2.7 GHz that I can overclock to over 3.0GHz (so basically twice the speed of my G4). But I'd still rather run MorphOS, and I'd really like to run it on a 2.5GHz G5 (I'm purchasing one soon).
And its not really the ISA that matters to me, its the API and how well its implemented.
Currently we have three NG OS' that attempt to re-implement the OS3.1 API, each with its own enhancements. Mine isn't perfect, but I prefer it. The other two aren't bad either.
I don't understand the argument.
All three OS' are, at their core, quite similar. I may even opt for a third machine to run OS4 soon.
But I'm still going to have a favorite.
And its not AROS.
Especially when its not finished (maybe not even when it finally reaches 1.0 status).
And certainly not when its crash prone with un-impplemented features.

In a way, the AROS development team is lucky.
Since neither OS4 or MorphOS runs on X86 equipment, they have that segment to themselves.
You'll notice that you don't see much drive to carry on the PPC AROS variant.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:40 PM   #135
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I do not want to destroy your illusions. The reasons why there is not much drive regarding PPC because anyone fears MorphOS or AOS but because there is not much need. The world outside speaks X86 (and in parts ARM) but noone is interested in PPC. That is the reality. There is a nightly build for PPC but that is not enough. You must build a distribution and you need a lot of software to be compiled for PPC. Noone is interested to do that for such a small number of potential users.

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Nobody wants to stop people be happy with MorphOS and nobody tries to force anybody to use Aros. Many people are now working to remove the weak points from Aros and I am convinced that in 6-12 Months the situation will have changed and I try to do my part in this process.

That is what I believe and you can of course think different. We can talk in a few months about it :-)

I always hear how superior MorphOS is, "Aros is years behind" and "68k users are just retros and only want to play games". Do not be too convinced of "your OS", the world can faster change when you think.

I am just finishing my Aros 68k distribution and I will start soon with a Linux hosted distribution (X86/Kubuntu) and I am proud to be part of the change. And comments like this are only motivating me more.

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Actually, I'm amazed at how long we held on to such crappy expansion standards.

33MHz PCI slots? Argh!
If you calculate out the additional bandwidth, PCIe is a Godsend.
PCIe 2.0 even better, and PCIe 3.0 incredible.

Think about it, I've got a 1.53GHz processor operating on a 133MHz bus.
That's a rediculous I/O bottleneck.
Very true, but at the same time I don't think we have any software that is held back by that bottle neck. When we have such software (I.E. After Effects or Final Cut), then the demand for better hardware will be undeniable.
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Don't worry Olaf, I don't have any illusions, especially any about Amigoid OS' regaining significant market share.
And I'm not particularly worried that PPC CPUs no longer have a share of the desktop market as they are very much alive in other devices.
Further, I'd really love to see more cross platform development and support without so much of this ridiculous "my systems better then your sentiment".
I mean come on, do AROS users really think that the ISA is a significant selling point when there are so many more powerful options running on that hardware?
X wasn't kidding, most people would rather use Linux (or Windows or OSX0.
We're the mutants that want to run derivatives of an over twenty year old, basically dead, 32bit OS.
I kind of like the idea of running my OS on a CPU that isn't mainstream. heck, that why I find ARM appealing (once that becomes more popular I'll probably lose interest).
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Very true, but at the same time I don't think we have any software that is held back by that bottle neck. When we have such software (I.E. After Effects or Final Cut), then the demand for better hardware will be undeniable.
Well, the X1000 is the first PPC in our market that offers PCIe expansion (and there's still no software that really requires it there either), unless you count the meager expansion on the SAM460ex.

Consider this, PCI is inadequate for one USB 3.0 connection (it can only provide a fraction of the needed bandwidth), but one 4X PCIe connection has more then enough bandwidth for two full USB 3.0 connections.

BTW - As to your "I'd rather use Linux" comment. Do you realize that when you use an X1000 under OS4 you only have support for one processor core and 2 GBs of memory. When you run Linux you use both cores and can access 6 or more GBs of memory (not to mention better video cards)?
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Oh, to close this whole argument, "Is MorphOS ahead of AROS?".

MorphOS current revision 2.7.

Aros? It hasn't reached revision 1.0 yet.

Ahead? Yes, obviously.
Why does this matter?
Who brings up these silly decisive topics?
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