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[Zac67]

We're special f'r sure, sir!

But still this a kinda like everything Amiga - anyway, don't think it'll take another five years to reveal the new chief, will it?

[ffastback]

Originally Posted by MobbyG

Thanks to Joe Torre and Wayne for coming on the show and saving the train wreck..

I am NOT a happy camper...

I'd like to believe you MobbyG. But its really weird this going on right after the previous show where you guys pulled a prank about having info about Hyperion's "most ambitious project" when you did not. You also raised the recent drama level with your public announcement at quiting Amigaworld.net. And then you also made a statement about standing with Bill P., which is a bit odd in one aspect: Now you both each have your own anonymous secret entities out there, Bill P. with the anonymous Netscape exec killing a bounty that was not even all his money and now you with this anonymous Amiga.org owner thing.

Can't someone just cut through the BS and say whats what? I like Amiga.org, its a very cool site, but in the grand scheme of things its "only" a vintage computer system forum board. Hardly state secret material.

[RMK305]

Originally Posted by Piru

Will The Real Amiga.org Owner Please Stand Up?

...and hold one of those fingers on each hand up.....


Oh wait, he sort of just did that! What a waste of everyone's time.

[MobbyG]

Originally Posted by ffastback

I'd like to believe you MobbyG. But its really weird this going on right after the previous show where you guys pulled a prank about having info about Hyperion's "most ambitious project" when you did not. You also raised the recent drama level with your public announcement at quiting Amigaworld.net. And then you also made a statement about standing with Bill P., which is a bit odd in one aspect: Now you both each have your own anonymous secret entities out there, Bill P. with the anonymous Netscape exec killing a bounty that was not even all his money and now you with this anonymous Amiga.org owner thing.

Can't someone just cut through the BS and say whats what? I like Amiga.org, its a very cool site, but in the grand scheme of things its "only" a vintage computer system forum board. Hardly state secret material.

Yeah.. Here it is... I'm pissed and if you don't believe me.. tough! Deal with it.

[J-Golden]

DANG DANG DANG IT!!!!!

I jumped on for all of a minute to hear there was a "train wreck" on the show but had to take the wife to the air port!!!!

What happened?!?!?!

[ffastback]

Originally Posted by MobbyG

Yeah.. Here it is... I'm pissed and if you don't believe me.. tough! Deal with it.

I'll "deal with it" just fine MobbyG. Like I said, I'd like to believe you. Its just damn peculiar given the series of events. This type of stuff happens in the world of Amiga way too often as it is. Bottom line, its sad this was another instance of nonsense.

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by ffastback

I'd like to believe you MobbyG. But its really weird this going on right after the previous show where you guys pulled a prank about having info about Hyperion's "most ambitious project" when you did not. You also raised the recent drama level with your public announcement at quiting Amigaworld.net. And then you also made a statement about standing with Bill P., which is a bit odd in one aspect: Now you both each have your own anonymous secret entities out there, Bill P. with the anonymous Netscape exec killing a bounty that was not even all his money and now you with this anonymous Amiga.org owner thing.

Can't someone just cut through the BS and say whats what?

Allow me to step in here. This is not MobbyG's issue, well, I guess it is, but it's by NO means his fault, nor did he have anything to do with the things that went down today. He provides a GREAT service to the community and under no circumstance should anyone be upset with him in ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM.

Back in August, as I announced the sale of Amiga.org, I was contacted by the Amiga Roundtable folks to whom I responded that "I could not disclose the info, but would be happy to let you guys use your program to announce it when possible".

I then contacted the new owner(s) and suggested that "since they were nice enough to ask, I think we should give them the scoop".

It wasn't until AFTER the broadcast started this morning that either myself, or Bill P (who will be serving as the site's admin) knew anything about the new owner's choice NOT to disclose their identity.

To that end, let me say this...

I KNOW this is frustrating for you all. I UNDERSTAND how everyone in this community feels they have a vested interest, hence some inate "right" to know everything. I'm not going to sit here and tell you otherwise, but...

None of you have heard me disclose the owner(s) name(s) to date. I'm contractually obligated not to at this point, and would never violate that trust.

While there would have been much better ways to handle today's situation, if the new owner(s) want their identity to remain private, then I -- and even moreso, we all -- have to respect that.

Now that we've had the round-table (such as it was), I can assure each of you of several facts in this situation;

• First and foremost, the proverbial check has cleared. This is a done deal as far as I'm concerned and agreements have been finalized. I'm just waiting for the domain transfer request to take my name off of it.
• Bill P is *not* the owner. He is, quite simply, a middle man in this endeavor, and is now responsible for facilitating the web site's day-to-day operation. If this were a corporation, you could think of Bill P as the CTO (Chief Technology Officer)
• Neither Bill McEwen, Bill Buck, nor Doomy (aka George Campbell) are involved.
• Things should not change around here for the foreseeable future, save that I believe Bill P is much more in-tune, energetic, and enthusiastic about the Amiga and the community than I am, so I think things will improve from here on out.
• No admins or moderators (save for BillP) should change.
• There is the potential to upgrade the site to the new 4.0 software level which essentially rolls everything I've added on into the core of the site.
• I have made two suggestions to Bill P and the new owner(s), the first is to develop a backwards compatible theme (if possible -- though doubtful it is) and to consider giving away free hosting to all Amiga projects, events, and user groups through the use of subdomains, such as we do for the UGN.

All this being said or given -- and if you take me at my word -- the owner's identity will come to light eventually. Until then, does it really, really matter?

Wayne

[motorollin]

What exactly has happened?

--
moto

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by motorollin

What exactly has happened?

In a nutshell, the new owner(s) decided, for reasons unbeknownst to me at the very last minute, not to reveal their identity, leaving MobbyG holding the bag with 30 or so pissed off Amiga users on his program.

We let Mobby have a few minutes of well deserved rant, then Joe, Bill P, and I were able to jump on and (hopefully) make everyone a little happier.

I personally would like to apologize for the situation and thank MobbyG for both a great, and valuable service to the community. I wish I could have changed things, but I do have confidence that things will be just fine if we all just resume the enjoyment of our Amigas and pay no attention to the men behind the green curtain.

Wayne

[Piru]

Originally Posted by Wayne

• Bill P is *not* the owner. He is, quite simply, a middle man in this endeavor, and is now responsible for facilitating the web site's day-to-day operation. If this were a corporation, you could think of Bill P as the CTO (Chief Technology Officer)

By all means and purposes he actually is the "owner". All we know the owner could be some former executive or the santa claus (or frigment of his imagination). Bill Panagouleas will be calling the shots.

I don't think I feel very comfortable about the idea.

[Ruud]

Deleted - Piru said it better.

[Argo]

Wtf?

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by Piru

I don't think I feel very comfortable about the idea.

It's undoubtable that some people will have their own problems with the situation for whatever unfathomable reasons they come up with. Especially where the Amiga community is concerned, but frankly speaking, neither you, nor anyone else, can say what will happen in the future, or indeed whether or not anything at all will change.

Until something that actually matters DOES happen, this is all just much ado about nothing, which makes it absolutely no different than anything else that happens -- or more to the point, doesn't happen -- these days.

It boils down to a simple thing. The new owner(s) were essentially talked into going on the Roundtable by Bill and I, then changed their minds -- for whatever reason -- at the last minute. Again, not a big deal, but admittedly could have been handled better, if for no other reason than to save MobbyG the headache.

All I'm asking is that everyone just chill out and relax (I refuse to say "chillax") until there's an actual honest-to-God reason to "be uncomfortable" about.

Wayne

[ffastback]

Originally Posted by Wayne

All this being said or given -- and if you take me at my word -- the owner's identity will come to light eventually. Until then, does it really, really matter?

It only mattered once it was announced that it would be told today. That announcement sought to include us. It sought to build hype as well. Thats gotten seriously old in the Amiga community in general.

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by ffastback

It only mattered once it was announced that it would be told today. That announcement sought to include us. It sought to build hype as well. Thats gotten seriously old in the Amiga community in general.

No disagreements there. I just thought your anger was a bit displaced when pointed at Rich, who did a fantastic job of it all.

Wayne