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[zee4]

You see I'm one of those guys like many of you, who just didn't wanna see my beloved amiga die. I feared the day when the amiga was truely declared dead. I always wanted the amiga to survive, in some kinda form, be it the OS or the idea itself. I have been hanging in there for several years, and now for the first time in many years i actually belive in the revival of our beloved amiga feeling.

@Hondo_DK:

Nicely put. I've said it before, once there's some new product on the market, I'm thinking people will calm down too. Right now I think a lot of the negative vibe is just lots of anticipation held for check for too long

We need OS4 now- before a few Amiga fans implode

Zoltan

[SlimJim]

> Well thought if not emotional post, but you do realize the
> fact that Amiga Inc has absolutely zero to do with either
> AmigaOS or the AmigaOne, right?

This is an odd statement considerering that noone would
have been able to start neither the AmigaOne project (at
least not as an Amiga computer), and *definately* not
AmigaOS4 at all had not AInc been willing to let it
happen. Now, you can perhaps discuss the reasons
for AInc to allow AOS to be further developed - fair
enough. But the fact remains that they by extension have
very much to do with at least AOS4. Claiming they have
nothing at all to do with this system coming back into life
is simply ignoring a link in the logic chain.
..............


Look, I'm not all that happy about the decisions and
actions taken by AInc in the past either. I have stated
this. Repeating it over and over won't make my opinion
weigh any heavier, won't make me or anyoone else feel
any better. Rather, I'd only make others depressed.

You see, I have nothing to loose by showing AInc a little
patience. I have a beefy PC here - and a nice A4000/060 to
support it. I prefer not to bring up the negatives over and
over again (and I apply the same policy to
MOS/Genesi/Amithlon/x86/whatever), since there is
nothing to gain in that for me but flames and an
overall bad mood in the community. I have everything to
loose by repeatedly bringing up only the bad points all the
time - not only will AInc/Genesi/whomever stop listening (I
know I would), the noice of negativity I'll add might also
be just that little last drop of irritation that pushes that
long-time Amiga user into leaving this community forever.
And for me, that matters more than the short-term
satisfaction of repeatedly making witty sarcastic
comments to drive the same negative point home over
and over - even if I feel that I am right in my opinions.
It is a difficult lesson of maturity to learn when not to
repeat your viewpoint.

(...so I'd better shut up now! ;-) )
.
SlimJim

[Hammer]

As such, I admit that I'm peeved that ANYONE is listening to what Fleecy has to say about ANYTHING except *possibly* DE/AA. What DE/AA has to do with the Amiga platform, and why it even remotely interests classic Amiga users, I cannot fathom.

Alternative cash flow for Amiga Inc. Would you like this current Amiga Inc to be yet another 'BeOS Inc'?

In the shadow of dotCOM bust, the IT survivors have to convert from “pie-in-the-sky” business to real income generation business.

[CodeSmith]

Forget it, most of these guys just want to see Amiga dead and buried (I actually saw a post the other day, where the person specifically said he wanted to see AmigaOS4 fail - he obviously believed that MOS can only succeed if it has no competition). My guess is that they want Amiga, Inc to go bankrupt so that Genesi can buy the IP dirt-cheap and "become" the Amiga (especially the "name, inc" trolls). Every time Fleecy shows up with his trivial banter, he reminds them that the object of their hatred is still alive, and they don't want to see this staring at them from the front page.

SlimJim is right - this is only a hobby. Some people obviously lead pretty easy lives if they get so worked up about something so trivial. I'm off to do my taxes...

[dammy]

Poster: CodeSmith Date: 2003/4/9 2:31:19

most of these guys just want to see Amiga dead and buried (I actually saw a post the other day, where the person specifically said he wanted to see AmigaOS4 fail - he obviously believed that MOS can only succeed if it has no competition). My guess is that they want Amiga, Inc to go bankrupt so that Genesi can buy the IP dirt-cheap and "become" the Amiga (especially the "name, inc" trolls). Every time Fleecy shows up with his trivial banter, he reminds them that the object of their hatred is still alive, and they don't want to see this staring at them from the front page.

Although I really do not care if OS4 makes it or not (I don't plan to buy any PPC machine), I highly doubt Genesi wants Amiga Inc dead any time soon. Reason being their law suit against Amiga Inc for contract violation is now set in US Federal Court on 12-1-03. Hence, it would be best for Genesi to hope Amiga Inc survives long enough to go to court so Genesi can be awarded proper financial remedey. That would give Genesi some rights when Amiga Inc does (and I'm sure it will) croak.

Dammy

[CodeSmith]

Is this the lawsuit where Bill Buck wanted the AmigaDE for hardware they never made?

Yep, sounds like a pointless lawsuit designed to bleed the competition dry. Bill Buck has lots more money than Amiga, Inc (or at least, he believes he does), so he doesn't care that he'll lose the lawsuit. The *real* plan is to drag it out long enough to bankrupt Amiga, so he'll be able to buy the rights to The Name nice and cheap. He'll have lost the battle, but won the war.

It's not illegal, so it's OK, right? ;-)

[Waccoon]

Nothing about Amiga Inc is typical, unless you're comparing the management of the company to Commodore.

The real kick is that Commodore actually released products, too! :-D

[Hammer]

Although I really do not care if OS4 makes it or not (I don't plan to buy any PPC machine),

Your problem.

I highly doubt Genesi wants Amiga Inc dead any time soon. Reason being their law suit against Amiga Inc for contract violation is now set in US Federal Court on 12-1-03.

This "contract violation" is a claim made by the plaintiff, as such it has to be tested first.

Any specific details on this "contract violation" claim?

I recall, Amiga DE/Amiga Everywhere(or whatever they make up) logo is for Amiga DE enabled devices (within MS Windows CE context). Microsoft seems to be happy with the current contract with Amiga Inc.

IF this contract between defendant and plaintiff limits AmigaDE logo’s use within Windows CE/AmigaDE context then there would be problems for claimant. What other action could cause this “contract violation”?

I’m assuming that the contract with Microsoft and Amiga Inc (in regards to AmigaDE) is similar to the contract between Genesi and Amiga Inc.

Example of conditional limited Logos are
1. nVidia's "SoundStorm" logo.
2. Microsoft's “Designed for Windows” logo.
3. Sun's Java logo.

Hence, it would be best for Genesi to hope Amiga Inc survives long enough to go to court so Genesi can be awarded proper financial remedey.

The point going to court is to test the claims. It doesn’t automatically success.

That would give Genesi some rights when Amiga Inc does (and I'm sure it will) croak.

Define this 'rights'.

[dammy]

Poster: CodeSmith Date: 2003/4/9 16:31:24

Is this the lawsuit where Bill Buck wanted the AmigaDE for hardware they never made?

Go read the complaint.

Yep, sounds like a pointless lawsuit designed to bleed the competition dry. Bill Buck has lots more money than Amiga, Inc (or at least, he believes he does), so he doesn't care that he'll lose the lawsuit. The *real* plan is to drag it out long enough to bankrupt Amiga, so he'll be able to buy the rights to The Name nice and cheap. He'll have lost the battle, but won the war.

I wouldn't call it pointless, there are indeed valid points to this entire proceeding. We can now laugh at Amiga Inc and it's legal council's attempt to get a summary dismissal since the Judge does see the case having validity and gave it a trial date.

Now sit back and wait for the fun to begin in this case. This is going to be a very interesting summer...

Dammy

[CodeSmith]

???

by 12-1-03 do you mean "12th of January" or "December 1"? if it's the second, I don't understand your comment about summer...

[dammy]

Poster: CodeSmith Date: 2003/4/10 3:18:59

by 12-1-03 do you mean "12th of January" or "December 1"? if it's the second, I don't understand your comment about summer...

In the US we use Month/Day/Year format so 12-1-03 is read December 1st, 2003. As for my comment about this summer, it refers to the legal proceedings that will take place prior to the actual trial. Let the games begin! ROTFL!

Dammy