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Old 05-13-2004, 08:40 PM   #181
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That wouldn't have worked here. The KKK's never had a problem putting on a politically correct face when the occasion called for it. The hate speaches wern't of our main concern anyway, it was the hooded clansmen that grouped around ballot boxes during election time murdering random people that voted for republicans that was the problem. You wouldn't even know who told them how you voted, you'd mention something to a friend at work, and then mysteriously a group of hooded "mighty whities" took a sudden interest in you. You might even suspect one of them is the friend you talked to, but with the hoods you just can't tell.
What do you mean by "grouped around ballot boxes"?
Are you just now learning what the KKK was? This conversation might be easier if you knew who they were. :-)
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Old 05-13-2004, 08:58 PM   #182
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Every single one of them.
Lets say they have torched my house and the police catches them in my yard,
Why are you talking about these situations as if they were hypothetical? The KKK and the crimes they commited were NOT hypothetical, they were real, they REALLY happened, so instead of your "what if" scenarios, let's look at history, and what REALLY happened. In reality, the KKK were NOT caught when they torched down a house, many times because many police themselves were present, underneath the hooded masks. of course nobody cold prove that because of the hoods.

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Then you needed to change that law,
Why? the mask law was succesfull. It singlehandedly brought down the largest criminal organization in the world, and the only reason you can come up with against this law is that one single man who wasn't allowed to wear a black hood at a demonstration.

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Have you even heard of the KKK before??? :-o
Only from tvand movies, I havenīt researched them in anyway, donīt have the time or interest:-)
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they wore it to intimidate,
Which already is a crime.
You've already voiced your opinion that standing around with a mask shouldn't be a crime. Unfortunately, that's all it takes to be intimidating, given the fact that that mask represented the worlds largest terrorist organization.
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Old 05-13-2004, 09:05 PM   #183
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Isnīt it nice when it carries on after the demostration with a little visit to your house SA-style?
Still havenīt commented on that on?
I didn't take it seriously enough to comment. If they wanted to know where you lived, they'd follow you home, mask or no mask, and they can't determine your address, or your name, by looking at your unmasked face.

You should leave a trail of breadcrumbs between your statements and the point you're trying to make, they're disconnected.
How the **** could you follow that million clansmen/other protestors you mentioned earlier home?
Who has the resources for that?
Yet you think it would be easy to arrest "all of them" when a crime is commited. :roll:

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When itīs easier to just take photos and then track them down afterwards.
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Sure there is a bigger population in the US but that doesnīt make you anonymous.
Are you under some kind of impression that Americans have their social security number tatooed on their foreheads or something?

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You never had a problem with registration of peoples political views?
What makes you think political views must be registered?
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Old 05-13-2004, 09:15 PM   #184
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What do you mean by "used guns"? Carried them, owned them, or fired them at people?
Using a gun is threatening people with it or firing it at them obviously.
So when you said "Everyone in the US uses guns", you meant that everyone in the US obviously "threatens people and fires at them" :roll:
That's not what I "use" mine for.
Well what do you use it for then?
Hunting? Or you compete at targetshooting?
I carry mine with me. It's used for defence.
"Defence" means you intent to "threaten people and fire at them" if the situation would arise.
What makes you think my actions are predetermined because I have a gun? If you're holding a pencil and someone asks for your wallet, is it predetermined you're going to gouge your pencil into the muggers brain through his eyesocket?
A pencil isnīt designed to kill humans with a pistol/revolver or an automatic is. They were not invented to hunt with, they were invented for killing people!
Which is irrelevant, as you stated that intentions don't matter and that defence was a predetermined action of doing what the situation calls for.

If my intentions for using the gun, have nothing to do with what the gun was designed for, then your intentions for using the pencil similarily have nothing to do with what IT was designed for.

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"Defence" means nothing of the sort, you're overloading the function of the verb "Defence."
Arguing gramma? Couldnīt find a better answer?
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I don't need a better one. By your definition of your own comment, you said "all Americans threaten and shoot at people." I was being nice by attacking it as a grammar error, but if you object, we can simlify this whole thing by just saying your statement is plain wrong. Happier now? :-)

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Yes in this context, "defence" means shooting at people.
How else do you use a gun for defence?
By your definition, all murder is defence, all use of a firearm is defence. Walking into a bank and shooting the teller is defence. Your definition is nuts. :-)

"Defence = 'shooting at people'" :roll:
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