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[FluffyMcDeath]

Nothing more to say. Just liked the subject line!!

[cecilia]

[T_Bone]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:
Nothing more to say. Just liked the subject line!!

I figured you'd like one of your "Ooopsie!!" headlines better, considering he killed a Mother, a baby, and a 12 year old boy while in Vietnam.

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:

I figured you'd like one of your "Ooopsie!!" headlines better, considering he killed a Mother, a baby, and a 12 year old boy while in Vietnam.

That's considerably less than Dumbya killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (but of course, he didn't put himself in harms way and do his own fighting there so that's morally better).

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Why don't you American's just vote for Ralph Nader? He seems to be the only reasonable politician in the US.

[KennyR]

Why don't you American's just vote for Ralph Nader? He seems to be the only reasonable politician in the US.

Not true.

[T_Bone]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

That's considerably less than Dumbya killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (but of course, he didn't put himself in harms way and do his own fighting there so that's morally better).

You're aware Kerry voted for the war too, right?

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Otherwise he'd been lynched by the furious mob.

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Otherwise he'd been lynched by the furious mob.

Funny, none of his other actions seem to be influenced by what other people think, why just this one?

[Wilse]

@T_Bone:

> You're aware Kerry voted for the war too, right?

I thought he just voted to give monkey boy the authority to go to war without a vote.

Although I concede that's almost as bad, given how completely and utterly hoodwinked the US public (including your good self IIRC) were by the 'iminent threat', 'wmd', 'al qaeda links', 'mushroom clouds', '9/11 links', it's almost understandible.

[cecilia]

the people who are to blame for wars and what happens are the politians who send youngsters into this hell that forces them to do horrible things.

When my grandfather's country was invaded, he was smart enough to know who was to blame. and had No hatred or prejudice against the Germans soldiers who were just over the hill.

One of the issues that tore this country apart in the 60's and 70's and even now is that you can't blame soldiers on policy made by old men who are hiding safely in their office while children get blown up.

[Fade]

by cecilia on 2004/3/3 12:15:12

the people who are to blame for wars and what happens are the politians who send youngsters into this hell that forces them to do horrible things.
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Why dont you blame the ones that are really responsible, Cecilia?

Wouldn't that be the ones that voted these politicians into office in the first place?

[cecilia]

Fade wrote:
by cecilia on 2004/3/3 12:15:12

the people who are to blame for wars and what happens are the politians who send youngsters into this hell that forces them to do horrible things.
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Why dont you blame the ones that are really responsible, Cecilia?

Wouldn't that be the ones that voted these politicians into office in the first place?

i see you are in full agreement with your pal, Osama!

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Fade wrote:
by cecilia on 2004/3/3 12:15:12

the people who are to blame for wars and what happens are the politians who send youngsters into this hell that forces them to do horrible things.
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Why dont you blame the ones that are really responsible, Cecilia?

Wouldn't that be the ones that voted these politicians into office in the first place?

good point.
But there wasn't much to vote for in ww1 Germany.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Fade wrote:
by cecilia on 2004/3/3 12:15:12

the people who are to blame for wars and what happens are the politians who send youngsters into this hell that forces them to do horrible things.
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Why dont you blame the ones that are really responsible, Cecilia?

Wouldn't that be the ones that voted these politicians into office in the first place?

At a certain level, yes, the voters share some of the blame, but then again, the people that run the country (or any country for that matter) try to make sure that anything the voter has to say doesn't change things too much. Nobody in the US voted to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and run up the national debt and run a huge annual deficit. Dumbya said he was not going to be a foreign policy prez. He said he was going to spend responsibly and run balanced budgets. The voters got shafted, spending went through the roof, the government went through a huge expansion.

Sure, Dumbya blames Osama, but nothing about being attacked by terrorists means that you have to go to war with sovreign states. There is an FBI, and a CIA and these organizations can track down and hire/train/eliminate terrorists as they see fit (when not hampered, bound, gagged and handcuffed by higher ups) while spending vastly less money doing it and all without creating any new government agencies!

Someone wanted to attack Iraq, someone wanted to attack Afghanistan, someone wanted to pass the patriot act. All these things were planned before 9-11. (-11 was just a convenient trigger, a "Pearl Harbor" event just like the one PNAC said it needed to enact it's plans.