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[sumner7]

I think this is way out of order. This has gone too far. Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools. Take a look at the story for yourself...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3511611.stm

[T_Bone]

sumner7 wrote:
I think this is way out of order. This has gone too far. Drug Testing should noy be allowed in schools. Take a look at the story for yourself...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3511611.stm

I don't know... remembering what school was like when I went, I'm kind of for it. I'd be more against drug testing in the workplace than in schools.

[sumner7]

T_Bone wrote:

I don't know... remembering what school was like when I went, I'm kind of for it. I'd be more against drug testing in the workplace than in schools.

I suppose it could be OK in some aspects.

[KennyR]

This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.

Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? If I was a parent I would simply refuse to allow my child to take the test, even if he/she was clean. I'd go to the European Court of Human Rights.

[bloodline]

KennyR wrote:
This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.

Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? If I was a parent I would simply refuse to allow my child to take the test, even if he/she was clean. I'd go to the European Court of Human Rights.

Now you are just be silly. Ok, I know I wasn't a model student at school.. I took a bit of this tried a bit of that... but at the end of the day it did nothing to help my school work.

I fully agree with Drug testing at schools. If kids wanna take drugs that can do it during thier holidays, nOT when they are supposed to be learning.

[mikeymike]

bloodline wrote:

Now you are just be silly. Ok, I know I wasn't a model student at school.. I took a bit of this tried a bit of that... but at the end of the day it did nothing to help my school work.
I fully agree with Drug testing at schools. If kids wanna take drugs that can do it during thier holidays, nOT when they are supposed to be learning.

I agree with KennyR on this one. Currently if the police want to check if you've been taking drugs, I'm fairly sure they have to arrest you, and ask you if they can take the test. I would also refuse to allow my kids to be drug-tested in school, unless someone wants to make an accusation.

[sumner7]

Even though I agree with this in some aspects, I wouldn't let my kids take drugs either.

BTW, I am now a Cult Member! Here's to another 500 posts!!!

[bloodline]

mikeymike wrote:

I agree with KennyR on this one. Currently if the police want to check if you've been taking drugs, I'm fairly sure they have to arrest you, and ask you if they can take the test. I would also refuse to allow my kids to be drug-tested in school, unless someone wants to make an accusation.

I'd demand that my kids have the test, and if the little B'stard got a positive result while they are supposed to be at school he/she'd get a hidding of thier life.

They can take drugs, but not on my time!

It's like the dork who used to work here, he would come in stoned off his tits and make loads of mistakes (putting the council at risk of prosecution).

I decided that I cover his mistakes and sort out all the problems as well as my own work, just this once (Everybody deserves a second chance).

He did it again, got fired, I couldn't be bothered to help him... hopfully he's rotting in a bedsit now. :-x

If he had been clever (like me), and he wanted to get off his face, he would have booked the day after as annual leave. That's what I did last Friday, since I knew I was going to have a big night on Thursday.

[that_punk_guy]

bloodline wrote:
He did it again, got fired, I couldn't be bothered to help him... hopfully he's rotting in a bedsit now. :-x

If he had been clever (like me), and he wanted to get off his face, he would have booked the day after as annual leave. That's what I did last Friday, since I knew I was going to have a big night on Thursday.

Well... he was rightly sacked, I still wouldn't deem it necessary for everyone at your workplace to have mandatory drug-testing.

I have a few problems with this. First, teenagers think the world is out to get them. This is damn near proof of that, I don't think alienating your kids helps get them on the straight and narrow.

Also, it's yet another opportunity for parents to dump parental responsibilities on the school. Almost like, "it's okay if they do drugs, 'cause the school will find out and we'll get a report." If your kids are using drugs often enough to get caught in a mandatory drug test (I'm assuming it's not a daily thing...?) and you don't know about it, there's something seriously wrong there that all the urinalysis in the world is not going to fix.

Kids shouldn't use this as an excuse to say "no" either. For a start, it probably won't deter a pusher any more than any other excuse. Secondly, what the f**k is wrong with just saying "no" because you don't want to take drugs? It seems to me that the same people who worry about teenagers being so irresponsible are the ones who want to take all opportunity to make positive, responsible decisions for themselves away from them.

That's all aside from the obvious privacy issues.

[Glaucus]

I'd demand that my kids have the test, and if the little B'stard got a positive result while they are supposed to be at school he/she'd get a hidding of thier life.

Yeah, except that most drugs leave a risidual effect, and will show up on drug tests weeks after taken.

- Mike

[mdwh2]

bloodline wrote:
Now you are just be silly. Ok, I know I wasn't a model student at school.. I took a bit of this tried a bit of that... but at the end of the day it did nothing to help my school work.

And would being kicked out of school (or possibly ending up with a criminal record) would have helped your life?

I fully agree with Drug testing at schools. If kids wanna take drugs that can do it during thier holidays, nOT when they are supposed to be learning.

How long do drugs remain in one's system? I'm sure it was quite a long period, more than a few days at least, in which case those who do take drugs in their holidays will be penalised also.

[T_Bone]

KennyR wrote:
This latest undermining of civil liberties is brought to you courtesy of the British Goverment.

Drug testing in schools? Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

What does this have to do with innocence or guilt? We're not talking about being accused of a crime.

Anyways, this gives teenagers a perfectly peer-pressure acceptable excuse not to do drugs. When I was in school the best excuse I could find was "I can't afford it."
:-)

[mikeymike]

I think it sets a very bad precedent.

IMO, the sooner "Labour" are out, the better.

[sumner7]

Dracula for Prime Minister!

[KennyR]

Don't get me wrong, I'm very against drugs. But to give people mandatory drug tests when they aren't performing a dangerous task is like treating everyone like a drug user in advance. It's like the police forcing you to stop and empty your pockets when you're walking down the street or they arrest you. It's aggressive policing and not the kind any free society should have.

If the government have failed to educate people about the evils of drugs and failed to enforce their ban, why should they then take a bite out of our liberties just for their own incompetence?