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Old 04-17-2012, 06:56 PM   #1
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Default So PowerPC is dead you say?
So how comes IBM's AI machine called Watson which outsmarted the two best champions on Jeopardy TV show uses Power7 not x86 architecture?

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If only an IBM engineer was a nostalgic Amigan with a dream to out do Wintel at least technically.....
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:21 PM   #2
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Get yourself a $15,000 entry-level system and let us know how it goes. ;-)
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:24 PM   #3
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Get yourself a $15,000 entry-level system and let us know how it goes. ;-)
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:25 PM   #4
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They're 2800 used :-P

My point was wouldn't it be awesome if a group of IBM engineers looked at getting AROS PPC/OS4 to run on that CPU in their spare time.

(yeah never going to happen)
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:03 PM   #5
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The main problem is that IBM hasn't been interested in consumer-level development...well, pretty much since the PS/2/MCA debacle. They even sold off their ThinkPad line, and they gave Apple a hell of a time about supporting Altivec on the G5. I'm sure they're not going to be abandoning POWER as long as there's money in it, but I very much doubt they're going to be looking at going back into the consumer market any time soon.
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So PowerPC is dead you say?
Yes.

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My point was wouldn't it be awesome if a group of IBM engineers looked at getting AROS PPC/OS4 to run on that CPU in their spare time.

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Get yourself a $15,000 entry-level system and let us know how it goes. ;-)
Cheaper than a fictional high end CUSAmiga we heard about a while back.

Sorry, I couldn't resist getting that one in.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:00 PM   #8
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So how comes IBM's AI machine called Watson which outsmarted the two best champions on Jeopardy TV show uses Power7 not x86 architecture?
A very good question. It's because x86 is a bit crap and PPC is better.

That should get the flames fanned! But seriously, memresistor FPGA based AI is on the way and should blow away anything that came before it. Just Google "memristor fpga artificial intelligence" and have a read. You'll find it fascinating if you have any geek in your blood at all.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:40 PM   #9
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A very good question. It's because x86 is a bit crap and PPC is better.

That should get the flames fanned! But seriously, memresistor FPGA based AI is on the way and should blow away anything that came before it. Just Google "memristor fpga artificial intelligence" and have a read. You'll find it fascinating if you have any geek in your blood at all.


PROVE IT, PROVE IT, PROVE IT,

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Old 04-17-2012, 08:52 PM   #10
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the closest thing you might get is the chip for the new wii replacement but even that is suppose to be slower than what will be in the ps4, which is an old amd chip.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:20 PM   #11
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@smerf

Back in the real world: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/12/...taflow-design/
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:53 PM   #12
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So how comes IBM's AI machine called Watson which outsmarted the two best champions on Jeopardy TV show uses Power7 not x86 architecture?
The answer is a bit mundane... But IBM own the rights to the Power Architecture and use it for all their custom CPU work. They don't need or want to be slaves to AMD and Intel.
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:56 AM   #13
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The answer is a bit mundane... But IBM own the rights to the Power Architecture and use it for all their custom CPU work. They don't need or want to be slaves to AMD and Intel.
It's the software that is impressive anyway. It wouldn't matter what hardware they run it on.

There is enough cores in that machine to satisfy all the current demand from the amiga community. If PowerPC were alive then they'd have spent less money and shipped motherboards to us all for free.

PowerPC is even dead in the console market. The next generation is abandoning it, except for Nintendo who are just taking the Wii and doubling the cpu cores.
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:21 AM   #14
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It's the software that is impressive anyway. It wouldn't matter what hardware they run it on.

There is enough cores in that machine to satisfy all the current demand from the amiga community. If PowerPC were alive then they'd have spent less money and shipped motherboards to us all for free.

PowerPC is even dead in the console market. The next generation is abandoning it, except for Nintendo who are just taking the Wii and doubling the cpu cores.
This goes along the order of:
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2) True and hilarious,
3) False: There's a rumour that PS4 is an AMD CPU but it's not confirmed - the XboxNext/720/wtfever is probably (almost certinaly) PPC - Wii-U is a multicore PPC but it's not based on the older GameCube/Wii cpu.

PPC these days is disappointing in it's lack of publicly consumer facing usage. There's low-end upto 400MHz integrated PPC chips that get embedded in car GPS displays, then there's an enormous gap until you get to the Power7 stuff.

Actually back to games consoles, the real loser this coming generation appears to be nVidia! They pissed off MS back on the original Xbox with licensing costs and were the primary reason it was put to bed early. They're apparently out of the PS4. They were rumoured to be in the Nintendo 3DS but they aren't, and they lost out to AMD/Ati for the Wii-U.

In the coming console generation, they make PPC seem positively bouncing with life
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:24 AM   #15
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PowerPC in classic Amiga looks dead.
I think our Classic future (now there's a confused concept!) lies in FPGA based recreations like fpgaarcade and 68k cores like the tg68 etc.

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