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| View Poll Results: Do you approve of PPC (in some form) as the future of Amiga? | |||
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39 | 26.90% |
| No, Amiga should go the x86 route |
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70 | 48.28% |
| No, Amiga should remain 680x0 |
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20 | 13.79% |
| Other |
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16 | 11.03% |
| Voters: 145. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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Tough question?
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x86 is the commonest platform so it should be on it. Go full 64-bit SMP/SMT while your at it.
I would also like to see it on ARM because it is perfect for light lean OS and unlike other ARM OS you would be free to tinker with it. PowerPC died when Apple dumped it, if people didn't see it was time to move then... they must interpret the world funny. 68k on FPGA will be satisfactory, but it is not for a serious alternative main OS. If nothing happens I hope Haiku or AROS will be fully functional alternative OSes.
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Yes, as long as it is something that it is not pittyfull, like current SAM and X-1000 processors. I mean something really powerfull that actually has a future, like some kind of licensed IBM POWER7 chip.
If not, hell no!!! PS: Just as an example, the IBM POWER7 795 server features 128 cores and a whooping 4.25 GHZ clock frequency! And it is a PowerPC system ![]() But reallistically speaking, you should get over it, and acknowledge the Amiga as we knew it, is long dead. Today, we are just the witnesses, some indeed victims, of marketing BS. Last edited by Gulliver; 10-12-2010 at 06:45 PM.. |
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Even though only a few people have voted, I'm not surprised to see the preference for x86.
I selected 'Other' because the CPU should be one of the things that is decided last. First I would devlop a product strategy, then as part of the product development I would define my market, design the product in terms of features to cater to that market, assess the budget and estimate the product per unit maximum cost and target profit margin, then I'd look at the component requirements for the production of the product and I would choose the CPU that best delivers the target market features at the appropriate per unit cost. There's a whole bunch of CPUs that fit that criteria, but given the unit cost of PPC MC/IC parts, I doubt they would be at the top of the list. Unfortunate for Hyperion, PPC was part of a strategy laid down over ten years ago and they've already expended many resources moving AmigaOS to the PPC and they are keen to get some return on their investment. The path of least resistance is to bundle AmigaOS 4 with relatively expensive PPC systems. As a technology strategist, I would not recommend they ever port AmigaOS to x86 or any other architecture. It would be easier an more beneficial to start from scratch. |
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No,
If we had gone to intel in the first place we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. The only way the platform can survive now is as a hobby, and most of us can't afford new PPC hardware. In a few years the PPC Macs will all be antiques so that's not an option for the future. |
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Defender of the Faith
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Location: Oregon
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For me, Amiga on Intel is WinAUE.
Amiga (hardware + OS) is 68K. I don't disagree with other people doing other fun/interesting stuff tho.. desiv |
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Too much caffeine
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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We have the problem of endianess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness it is unlikely that amigaos will ever be ported to x86 and boot natively.That thing wont be an amiga.PPC can change the endianess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#Endian_modes but i dont think it would be easy to port it to x86.So x86 is definitely out of the question for me.
Also from the same page Endianness and operating systems on architectures Little-endian operating systems: * Linux on x86, x64, Alpha and Itanium * Mac OS X on x86, x64 * OpenVMS on VAX, Alpha and Itanium * Solaris on x86, x64, PowerPC * Tru64 UNIX on Alpha * Windows on x86, x64 and Itanium Big-endian operating systems: * AIX on POWER * AmigaOS on PowerPC and 680x0 * HP-UX on Itanium and PA-RISC * Linux on MIPS, SPARC, PA-RISC, POWER, PowerPC, 680x0, ESA/390, and z/Architecture * Mac OS on PowerPC and 680x0 * Mac OS X on PowerPC * MVS and DOS/VSE on ESA/390, and z/VSE and z/OS on z/Architecture * Solaris on SPARC Amiga in both 680x0 and PowerPC is big endian while any x64 and x86 above is Little-endian Last edited by nikodr; 10-12-2010 at 08:01 PM.. |
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BS.
Most of us CAN afford new hardware - but there's a difference between value and reality. Choosing to overpay for re-used, abused and re-manufactured (if you're lucky) technology does NOT represent sensible computing value. Show us something of value, worthwhile, long lasting, currently supported and we will spring for it. En masse.
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![]() Last Amiga died with A4000/A1200. All the others are just Amiga by name, no custom chips and no style just a box for running OS4 (which needs a LOT of work to catch up) (CELL PPU is more or less 1 Xenon core) |
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Join Date: May 2003
Location: San Francisco, California, US
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As long as hardware is available, why not? The CPU is just a tool, like any other. ARM might be more cost-effective long-term, but if by "Amiga" you mean "AmigaOS 4.x," then we have to live with what Hyperion supports.
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PPC isn't a "future". It's a dead-end.
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It's Amiga time!
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From 1994, everything looks like the future
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sad moaning faced git
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My AmigaOne is slow! DOWN WITH PPC!
..and don't get me started on the BPPC!
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Defender of the Faith
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I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing these days that simply could never be done on a 68060 -- seeing that it's fine for nonlinear video, etc.
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