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[WotTheFook]

Hi,

I am pleased to announce that we looked into the comment about multiple account activity on AmiBay that was levelled at redrumloa and we have found absolutely no evidence to support this comment.

Accordingly, his Trader account on AmiBay has been re-instated in full.

We trust that the matter relating to red's AmiBay activity is now closed and we apologise to red for the inconvenience caused while we investigated.

Regards,

WotTheFook aka Merlin

[Darrin]

I wasn't even aware that there was supposed to be a problem.

What was it? An unfounded accusation by some petty, sulking git because he failed to get an A3000 for $10?

[WotTheFook]

Even if the accusation was unfounded, we felt it was necessary to prove things one way or the other and fortunately this has cleared red's name completely. We just wanted to put a lid on the matter and stop further speculation.

[countzero]

come on guys, let's keep it cool. Last thing we need is another fraction in our community. We can't afford to have seperate amigan factions differing on trading terms. I offer a call for peace. and let's respect each others opinions.

[Darrin]

WotTheFook wrote:
Even if the accusation was unfounded, we felt it was necessary to prove things one way or the other and fortunately this has cleared red's name completely. We just wanted to put a lid on the matter and stop further speculation.

I see. Good idea, but I could have told you that anyway. :-D

[dannyp1]

WotTheFook wrote:

"Even if the accusation was unfounded, we felt it was necessary to prove things one way or the other"

Wasn't suspending ReDrum's account kind of like "Guilty until proven innocent"? As I recall I think it was things like this that inspired many of our Forefathers to leave where you are at and come here. The only reason there was a suspension at all was because he had a different opinion than you that you didn't believe in. Community price (whatever that is) VS Market price.

[arkanoid]

Darrin: to understand why his account at AmiBay was called into question, you would have to read this entire thread: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39684

Things got a little out of hand (as they often do on internet forums), but I think it basically boils down to the fact that - in that thread - Red made it clear that he was against selling Amiga wares at "community prices". Which lead to the question of exactly why he, as a "professional trader", would have an account over at Amibay. Considering that Amibay was setup largely to counteract Amiga based profiteering by encouraging sane pricing and anti-price hiking practices.

This perhaps got the mods of Amibay thinking (as it should do) and they rightfully investigated the matter. As they would with any other user.

Thankfully the issue is resolved.

[Darrin]

arkanoid wrote:
Darrin: to understand why his account at AmiBay was called into question, you would have to read this entire thread: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39684

Things got a little out of hand (as they often do on internet forums), but I think it basically boils down to the fact that - in that thread - Red made it clear that he was against selling Amiga wares at "community prices". Which lead to the question of exactly why he, as a "professional trader", would have an account over at Amibay. Considering that Amibay was setup largely to counteract Amiga based profiteering by encouraging sane pricing and anti-price hiking practices.

This perhaps got the mods of Amibay thinking (as it should do) and they rightfully investigated the matter. As they would with any other user.

Thankfully the issue is resolved.

Thanks for that link. I missed that whole thread.

That's a mountain out of a mole hill. I can see why the person who was buying the card got a bit upset at Red's remarks (There's nothing like trying to pick up a bargain and then having some yell "double the price mate!" over your shoulder. However the remarks made against Red and the way he does business were totally disgusting.

I've bought many items from him both on eBay and pre-eBay and I've always got A+ service and never felt that I've paid too much. He's also someone that I know would resolve a problem quickly and that adds an extra level of "value" to whatever he's selling.

It's obvious why Red has an AmiBay account, it's to advertise his pre-eBay items to the community before they end up on eBay and possibly in the hands of collectors who don't even switch on an Amiga these days. Suggesting that he waits in the shadows looking for bargains to pounce on a resell is a bit low.

As a businessman he's entitled to make as much money as he can on the hardware and when it comes to eBay sales he doesn't set the price, the buyer does.

That whole thread is just plain ugly. I've got several Amigas and parts that I've been planning to put on eBay for months, but it's reading comments like those that keep them on the shelves gathering dust.

[arkanoid]

Darrin wrote:
I've bought many items from him both on eBay and pre-eBay and I've always got A+ service and never felt that I've paid too much. He's also someone that I know would resolve a problem quickly and that adds an extra level of "value" to whatever he's selling.

As was pointed out on numerous occasions in that thread, the issue was not with whether Redrumola is a "good trader" or not. His record proves that he obviously is. Also, nobody was concerned with the prices HE chooses to charge for HIS items in HIS sales.

The issue people had was with his intervention in a sale between enthusiasts and him yelling "double the price mate!" That's all.

And if you read the thread carefully, you'll see that Red was just as much a part of the general "mud slinging" as anyone else. There were no hard done by "victims" in that thread, I assure you.

[A1260]

"waaaaay too cheap"...... best trolling i have seen in ages, good entertainment to read that link

arkanoid wrote:
Darrin: to understand why his account at AmiBay was called into question, you would have to read this entire thread: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39684

As a result of that moronic thread (on every side), I dare to suggest that we might not see red around here much any more. He did, in fact, ask me to close his account, which I obviously declined, as I always do (because it would orphan thousands of posts).

I grant you, as I told him, that he was a bit out of line with his initial remark in the other thread, and he accepted my comment, but the degree of venom and hatred launched at him is exactly why most of the people trying to support this community are literally giving up and walking away.

This isn't a religion people, it's supposed to be a hobby. Hobbies by definition are supposed to be fun. Take away the fun (as a lot of people went out of the way to do in that thread), and boing... no more support from that person for the community.

Yes, redrumloa could be considered one of our last professional dealers (as is amikit -- another slandered seller recently) but there is a point where the money involved simply isn't worth all the childish bullspit that he has to put up with to get it.

I'm just sayin... There are a lot of people on this site that need to step back, hear what I'm saying, and apologize.

Wayne

[arkanoid]

@Wayne: I'll certainly be the first to step up and apologize for making any unfounded or agitating comments.

I hope Red understands that the only point most people were making was: "hey, you're a professional dealer and for you to encourage price hiking between enthusiasts is not on". That's all it boils down too - nothing more - despite things getting way out of hand (on both sides). Hopefully he sees that, and realizes that it was nothing personal against him. In fact, most people's comments were about a general PRINCIPLE of price gouging...not about Red.

He's obviously a very good trader and shouldn't let people's opinions in that thread about that particular subject bother him so much. It would be sad to see him leave the community on that basis alone.

So I'm offering him my personal apology for allowing things to get out of hand. Hopefully he sees that it was nothing personal against him. It was just a silly discussion that went a bit off the rails.

[taunusand]

Oh no :-(
Look at this EBAY

.... I've lost interest in all things Amiga.

This is sad news!

[LoadWB]

The whole damned thing got childish and rhetorical. I would happily pay Red's prices if I had the cash to spare. He does the Amiga community a great service by putting in his own resources to obtain items which might otherwise wind up in a landfill, and ensuring that the purchaser gains a quality Amiga item with no bullshyt.

There's nothing immoral or unethical about wanting to make a profit on one's hobby and passion; that's how many great success stories are born.

On the same token, there is nothing wrong with someone who does not wish to make a profit, immense or otherwise, on his or her Amiga items. I would rather sell to someone low who will cherish and use an item than high to someone who will put it in a glass case. I've given away Commodore 64 and Amiga equipment to people who have sworn to use them, and everyone has lived up to that.

To that end, my resources have already been compensated by my use of whatever it is I'm selling. That is my profit.

I believe in Red and his way of conducting business of which I am aware. At the same time, I feel he was certainly out of line with his comment. Chalk it up to brief moment of poor judgment, unappreciated humor, or whatever you may. Given that he provides a valuable service to the Amiga community, he deserves our respect and gratitude.

[pyrre]

wayne wrote:
I dare to suggest that we might not see red around here much any more.

I will surely miss the occational "project" treads by red.
Interesting to read about the C128 tower project from a person with knowhow and skills to do so...
Inspiring read i must say.
I really hope he do not leave.