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[eniac]

one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS. with no graphics acceleration its not going to be a very powerful computer....and what about perihperals????
keyboard, mouse, game pads? what about a blu-ray burner?
people here have been saying - things like "people will be able to DO SOMETHING"....like what? and one person even said "it will be a powerful new amiga with a 3.5 ghz processer", but with no graphics acceleration, whats the point....
if the PS3 port supporters can give me a SOLID reason for installing it on a PS3 then ill jump aboard. if you cant then you should start realizing how much more effective a x86 port would be....

I'll give you a clue...

Even if I have no PS3 and I no intention of buying one ever... when Commodore sold the Amiga 3000, they were still selling the 500 and afterwards, the 600.

And when they sold the 4000, they were still selling the 1200 as well...

[jorkany]

It IS pretty funny that some people don't seem to understand what the PS3 is a game console. I'm sure they are the same people who have a kitchen drawer full of bent butter knives from using them as screwdrivers.

jorkany wrote:
It IS pretty funny that some people don't seem to understand what the PS3 is a game console. I'm sure they are the same people who have a kitchen drawer full of bent butter knives from using them as screwdrivers.

Indeed. And while I was doing DTP on an Amiga 2000 equipped with a fusion forty back in 1992, was there anything wrong that my neighboor had a 500 with no hard drive and used it almost exclusively for playing lemmings?

Same machine, different setup with different usage in mind...

[jorkany]

Indeed. And while I was doing DTP on an Amiga 2000 equipped with a fusion forty back in 1992, was there anything wrong that my neighboor had a 500 with no hard drive and used it almost exclusively for playing lemmings?

If you had been doing DTP on a Sega Genesis you might have a point. Try this little experiment, go to your local electronics big box store and ask people who appear interested in the PS3 if they plan to use it as a computer or a game console. Let us know what kind of answers you get.

jorkany wrote:

If you had been doing DTP on a Sega Genesis you might have a point. Try this little experiment, go to your local electronics big box store and ask people who appear interested in the PS3 if they plan to use it as a computer or a game console. Let us know what kind of answers you get.

I'm sorry to have to disappoint you but just about everyone who bought the Amiga 500 back in 1992 intended to use it as a game machine. People who wanted more than that bought the 2000 or the 3000.

Pretty much the same applies to the 1200 vs the 4000.

Perhaps there are some games that require more keys than there are buttons on an Xbox or PS controller and so some games are reserved to computer users but people who use them remain... gamers.

[Plaz]

one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS. with no graphics acceleration its not going to be a very powerful computer....and what about perihperals????

Like every other "lock down", I think some one could eventually crack and access the accelerated features given enough time and information. But the rest of the world isn't going to take OS4 on PS3 seriously unless Sony themselfs promote it. Fat chance of that of course. So what's left is a few hundred Amiga technoids who might be interested. No serious project is going to invest time/money in to that.

AROS and MorphOS have a more realistic chance of getting ported to PS3 I think. Especially AROS since it's an open project. But to throw reality back in, who has time?

have a kitchen drawer full of bent butter knives from using them as screwdrivers.

... hey wait a sec...what are you doing my kitchen! It's far too messy for company right now.


Plaz

[keropi]

I wish ppl would stop polluting the forums with imaginary ps3 ports and similar wish-threads...

[Tomas]

jorkany wrote:
It IS pretty funny that some people don't seem to understand what the PS3 is a game console. I'm sure they are the same people who have a kitchen drawer full of bent butter knives from using them as screwdrivers.

Is this so odd when Sony is marketing the PS3 as something more than a console? No wonder that people expect it to actually do the same tasks as a computer then.

[jorkany]

Is this so odd when Sony is marketing the PS3 as something more than a console? No wonder that people expect it to actually do the same tasks as a computer then.

A computer or a digital entertainment center? I have yet to see a single television ad, newspaper brochure, or store display advertising the PS3 as a computer replacement here in the U.S. Maybe things are different elsewhere in the world.

Sure, Sony has provisions to use the PS3 like a computer if you really, really want to. But nearly every major game console from the Intellivision to the Dreamcast has had some sort of computer expansion option, and none were very successful. Heck, the PS2 even had an official version of Linux, but you don't see a community of people using PS2s as Linux boxen. How is that any different than the PS3?

I'm sure it's also more than a coincidence that the people on these forums who most want to see the PS3 as a computer are also people who want to use OS4. I bet if affordable, reliable hardware had ever become available for OS4, none of those people would give the PS3 a second glance; they just see the PS3 as a last chance for OS4 because it has a PPC architecture. If a digital camera based on PPC came out, they'd be all over that as a "computer" too.

[Tigger]

jorkany wrote:

Sure, Sony has provisions to use the PS3 like a computer if you really, really want to. But nearly every major game console from the Intellivision to the Dreamcast has had some sort of computer expansion option, and none were very successful. Heck, the PS2 even had an official version of Linux, but you don't see a community of people using PS2s as Linux boxen. How is that any different than the PS3?

One of the differences is, that its the first console to come standard with a Harddrive and with the built in ability to boot another OS. In addition, lets be honest here, in modern terms, the PS3 is much more a computer then an a500. It connects to the web, it can use modern moniters, it comes with a HD, it has USB ports, it has ethernet, etc.

I'm sure it's also more than a coincidence that the people on these forums who most want to see the PS3 as a computer are also people who want to use OS4. I bet if affordable, reliable hardware had ever become available for OS4, none of those people would give the PS3 a second glance; they just see the PS3 as a last chance for OS4 because it has a PPC architecture. If a digital camera based on PPC came out, they'd be all over that as a "computer" too.

Oh come on Jorkany, you are way too smart to believe the digital camera crap you just posted. The PS3 is an interesting idea, because its fast, cheap, easy to get one, and is PPC based because porting OS4 to x86 is way beyond the wonder twins powers. In addition, if OS4 never gets another update, or you decide you dont want to play with it anymore, you can always use it to play Blu-Ray movies or play games on it or even run linux pretty damn well, unlike the Teron boards which without OS4 are pretty much worthless for doing anything but slow and poorly running linux.
-Tig

[Jose]

@bloodline

"I think it because the people who shout the loudest are the ones who only care about the "Name" (tm) and for some reason adore the PPC (Something I'll never understand)..."

If Amiga even has any change to make a come back, the "Name" the name would help, alot, so it does matter. But I think you mean those that follow AInc. because of the name, the I agree, not many around anymore it seems.

"..adore the PPC..."
:horse: If Intel was not in bed with Microsoft for all they're world domination interests I'd agree with you, meanwhile PPC, if it ever succeds, would give a much helthier market and a product with an identity and some peculiar advantages (like processing power / Watt). The oportunity is here and probably has never been better with all 3 main consoles using PPC, "now or never" springs to mind. I'd bet for never, but cross my fingers for the 1st.
I think the average Joe doesn't even care about processing power as he used to, wich has become enouph for almost everything, it's about graphic cards GPU's but guess what, PPC systems can have PCIe dont' they ?

To resume I have nothing against AROS, but...it's too much X86 oriented.

[dammy]

To resume I have nothing against AROS, but...it's too much X86 oriented.

Care to specify exactly what of the core AROS is x86 oriented?

Dammy
TeamAROS
Port AROS To EFIKA Bounty

[Piru]

one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS

Topic Thread: Linux on Playstation 3 looks good...

[JoannaK]

Piru wrote:

Topic Thread: Linux on Playstation 3 looks good...

With current 'level' of 3d gfx-chip drivers Mos and OS4 offer it would not matter much anyhow.. Unless of course someone starts daydreaming about miraciously receiving full Chip docs and example driver source from Nvidia/Sony.