amiga.org
     
iconAll times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:58 PM. | Welcome to Forum, please register to access all of our features.

» Amiga.org » Amiga computer related discussion » Amiga Gaming » Quake on the older Amigas

Amiga Gaming This forum is dedicated to games software and solutions for the Commodore Amiga computer. Need help blowing up pixels? Know of the next gaming revolution? Talk about it here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-29-2004, 07:53 AM   #1
CU_AMiGA
Defender of the Faith
Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,807
Default Quake on the older Amigas

Hi,

Was wondering whether Quake would run on the A2000, A500 and A600 with the aid of an accelerator and graphics card? I would imagine it would be possible with an A2000 and A500, with the Blizzard accelerator and Cybervision graphics card. Not too certain about the A600 though...

Regards,
__________________
A1200D / AGA / B1260 / 64MB RAM / KS 3.1 / AOS 3.9 / 4GB HD
CU_AMiGA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 07:57 AM   #2
ltstanfo
Forums Moderator
Points: 6,816, Level: 54 Points: 6,816, Level: 54 Points: 6,816, Level: 54
Activity: 2% Activity: 2% Activity: 2%
 
ltstanfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Huntsville, AL USA
Posts: 412
Send a message via ICQ to ltstanfo
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

If you have an '060 accellerator and a graphics card (Cybervision PPC, PicassoIV, etc..) the game is playable although there are some very minor screen lags on occasion. I have never attempted to run the game on an '040 with AGA only but I have read that gameplay is not really good due to severe lag. I suspect (opinion only) that play on ECS / OCS is not even a consideration.

Clickboom says that the minimum CPU is an '020 but I don't even want to think about that.

Regards,
ltstanfo
__________________
Gee Brain... what do you want to do tonight?
ltstanfo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 08:01 AM   #3
CU_AMiGA
Defender of the Faith
Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,807
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

Hello,

I still own Quake, even though i have no Amiga to play it on. But it was fairly playable on my A1200 with 060 and AGA, i got between 10-20fps. It was okay, but a 060 AGA is the bare minimum i reckon. It flies pretty well on PPC, i got 30-40fps on my 160. The minimum hardware requirements for Quake are: 020+FPU, AGA and 8meg RAM. So this game will not run on OCS/ECS. That is why a complex setup on A2000 and A500 seems more likely.
__________________
A1200D / AGA / B1260 / 64MB RAM / KS 3.1 / AOS 3.9 / 4GB HD
CU_AMiGA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 08:01 AM   #4
Argus
Cult Member
Points: 6,866, Level: 54 Points: 6,866, Level: 54 Points: 6,866, Level: 54
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 942
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

I'm going to try tonight and run it on my A2000 with a GVP030/40MHz/PicassoII+/16MB under CybergraphXv.4. afaik there is no ECS/OCS version. The AA version is playable with a 68060 and lots of RAM in low-res mode (320x200). The best AA/CyberGraphX/P96 version is the one on Aminet (Quake68K by Steffen Hauser, et al.). The Clickboom versions are buggy and slow, imho.
Argus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 08:03 AM   #5
CU_AMiGA
Defender of the Faith
Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,807
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

Hi mate,

That would be cool. I would love to know what happens, any chance of posting a video clip?

Regards,

-EDIT-

The Quake on Aminet was the version i used as well. It flies compared to the Clickboom version. Apparently, Quake 2 runs better than the first one, but this needs a GFX card. I recently copied the WAD files from my Amiga CD to my iMAC to play iMAC, and it is full speed! :-) I have also heard that Clickbooms WAD files also uses special tricks in order for the speed to be good? Is this true?
__________________
A1200D / AGA / B1260 / 64MB RAM / KS 3.1 / AOS 3.9 / 4GB HD
CU_AMiGA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 08:08 AM   #6
ltstanfo
Forums Moderator
Points: 6,816, Level: 54 Points: 6,816, Level: 54 Points: 6,816, Level: 54
Activity: 2% Activity: 2% Activity: 2%
 
ltstanfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Huntsville, AL USA
Posts: 412
Send a message via ICQ to ltstanfo
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

Quote:
Argus wrote:
The Clickboom versions are buggy and slow, imho.
Curious...my experience is the opposite. I have on '060 A4000T with CybervisionPPC video (CyberGrafx4) and always got better performance with the Clickboom version over the aminet versions. interesting....

Regards,
ltstanfo
__________________
Gee Brain... what do you want to do tonight?
ltstanfo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 08:10 AM   #7
CU_AMiGA
Defender of the Faith
Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,807
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

interesting.....
__________________
A1200D / AGA / B1260 / 64MB RAM / KS 3.1 / AOS 3.9 / 4GB HD
CU_AMiGA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 08:13 AM   #8
CU_AMiGA
Defender of the Faith
Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67 Points: 10,143, Level: 67
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,807
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

Would Quake at all run on a A600? I was thinking about that Shapeshifter card - as that can display 256, the same as AGA and GFX cards.

Regards,
__________________
A1200D / AGA / B1260 / 64MB RAM / KS 3.1 / AOS 3.9 / 4GB HD
CU_AMiGA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 09:14 AM   #9
billt
Cult Member
Points: 9,401, Level: 65 Points: 9,401, Level: 65 Points: 9,401, Level: 65
Activity: 4% Activity: 4% Activity: 4%
 
billt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 792
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

> If you have an '060 accellerator and a graphics card
> (Cybervision PPC, PicassoIV, etc..) the game is playable
> although there are some very minor screen lags on occasion.

Clickboom's Quake ran about 9FPS average on my 060/66MHz/PicassoIV A4000T. Wasn't smooth at times, but I played through the whole game. There were supposedly ways to improve FPS a bit with certain settings, but I never found a good howto or anything on how to do that and it never happened for me, but perhaps there's some tips to help on a web site somewhere that I never found... There's also been ports of the GPLed codebase that may have been better optimized, and I imagine there's an OpenGL version that would take advantage of a Voodoo3 and maybe even Cybervision64-3d card.
__________________
Bill T
All Glory to the Hypnotoad!
billt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 08:00 AM   #10
Lemmink
Cult Member
Points: 5,735, Level: 48 Points: 5,735, Level: 48 Points: 5,735, Level: 48
Activity: 2% Activity: 2% Activity: 2%
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 739
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

In theory it can be startet with a mere 020 and 8 MB fastram on PAL / NTSC (that at least what is stated on the packageing of the official clickboom Version) but that would only be a really slow slideshow.
I played it through on a Blizzard1240 @ 40MHz on a Picasso IV back then and it was damn slow (nearly 1 second beween each shot of the nailgun)
Playable it is only on a 060 with GFX-card in 320x240.
__________________
Not really interesting, but it`s there.
http://www.lemmink.joice.net
Lemmink is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2004, 09:47 AM   #11
redrumloa
Original Omega User
Points: 44,458, Level: 100 Points: 44,458, Level: 100 Points: 44,458, Level: 100
Activity: 99% Activity: 99% Activity: 99%
 
redrumloa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 10,126
Blog Entries: 4
Send a message via AIM to redrumloa
Default Re: Quake on the older Amigas

On older systems you mentiond (A500, 600, 2000) it is rather painful any way you cut it. The bare minimum I'd recomend is a 060 and Voodoo 3(Via Prometheus). Also newer Quake ports like GLQuake are MUCH better than Clickbooms.

HERE is an old benchmark comparison I did a few years back.

Quote:
Test system:
A3000 MK-II 060/66 64meg ram
Prometheus w/Voodoo3 3000(SGRAM)

All tests done in full screen(no size reduction), the GLQuake68K version is using the fastrender option.

screenmode | Clickboom fps | GLQuake fps
320x240------------10.8-------------23.0
400x300-------------7.8--------------21.1
512x384-------------------------------21.1
640x480-------------------------------19.9
800x600-------------------------------16.0
1024x768-----------------------------11.9
:-o


-edit-
Removed Quake II results, irrelevant. Oops;-)
__________________
Someone has to state the obvious and that someone is me!
redrumloa is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
older , amigas , quake

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fix the Pansonic JU-257A605P Drive to use it on older amigas.. BarrySWE Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion 3 07-16-2006 01:47 PM
Is there a way to "fix" an older g-rex1200 to have 2 DMA slots? keropi Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion 7 05-25-2006 11:58 AM
older OpenPCI library Schoenfeld Amiga Software Issues and Discussion 1 02-14-2005 12:45 PM
Older versions of AHI drivers... Karlos Amiga Software Issues and Discussion 9 10-05-2003 05:38 AM
RAM & Older AmiOS 1.3 Amiga Software Issues and Discussion 5 11-26-2002 08:44 PM