Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
 

i guess we can say goodbye to CUSA soon.

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*glances over document*

...uh, could someone remind me who's blaming whom for what, again? This stuff is hard enough to keep track of without being buried in legalese...

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After re-reading a chunk of the pdf, curious why the C-USA fanboys are all giddy with delight. I always assumed the rights were legal, in Commodore USA usage - if they happened to get screwed in the legal proceedings, I won't exactly lose any sleep, however. Honestly I never cared about the legal aspect of the "brand". I mean, if I buy a C64x or a VIC system from C-USA, it's got the Commodore name on it, and I'm not going to be too worked up how said name got there if it's a good system and I assume it's a "Commodore". Said name doesn't mean a darned thing to me these days. Nothing they offer will revolutionize modern computing, we're too deep in the "PC is an appliance" era of computing for that on a mainstream level. Apple isn't shaking in their boots, worrying that the "new Amiga" will ruin their video editing loyalists customers, lol. C= and Amiga aren't even a blip on the radar in the mainstream, and never will be again. Fighting over these brand names, to me - is the equivalent of hobos fighting over bare chickenwing bones in a Hooters dumpster, but perhaps I just don't see the "big payoff" aspect.

I mean, it's 2012 - they are making commodity PC's in retro form factors under an old school name, which is totally fine by me - but if Jesus himself gave them the sole rights to the Commodore name worldwide, what the hell difference does it make? The days of the C64 are over. The glory of the Amiga was over nearly 20 years ago, sorry - I'm really not sure what any of the various corpse sitters in regards to trademarks and branding are going to do to bring back former glory to "our beloved brand".

What am I missing here that has the ardent supporters of C-USA so giddy? Seriously, I'd like to know. I just see another clusterf*ck of legal paperwork - unless there's some valuable patents I am not aware of, I just don't get it. If there are valuable patents - whoever gets the rights to them better have deep pockets :)

Not a slam against C-USA in the least, just curious for some clarification why a group of people would be seeing yet another gong show of legalese pdf's and international court proceedings as a positive thing.

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mmm i think soon have the dream with woman in my shower but each to there own hehe

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I'm surprised anyone cares. I don't. I just bought a $900 ultrabook to run Linux on. The last thing I'd buy is CUSA junk.

MorphOS / Amiga OS are the only two things Amiga that I care about. Unless NatAmi gets released... :)

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as an aside, I like this bit from their forum
we who exactly?

Illusions of grandeur much?

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I want to know what they have bought that they feel will change the face of IT.

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Short answer, hopefully in layman terms...

C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al

C=Holding B.V. is basically shown as Messrs (Jan) Hoogstrate and (Albertus Wilhelmus Maria) Ebben

Their names appear in the original Asiarim participation agreement and in the loan agreement: http://www.secinfo.com/d1b6kb.q8.1.htm
and in the lawsuit.

Asiarim Corporation is Ben Van Wijhe.

et al is a group of both known and unknown and/or unnamed people and corporations, indicated by the statement in the lawsut related to further discovery yet to be completed.

The people claiming they own the Commodore IP are accusing Asiarim of doing business (licensing the IP) they had no right to be doing. They claim harm has been done on a number of levels.

@Duce

Because CUSA previously stated they were renegotiating their terms. They are obviously dealing now with those claiming in the lawsuit to be the rightful owners of the IP. Since those folks are investors, they likely have little interest beyond what they can recover. Hence I'm sure the "giddy" refers to the feeling that CUSA can gain what they want in exchange for payment.

Nevertheless, it's a lawsuit and predicting the outcome is impossible. Truly a case of "when it's done". Heh.

@CritAnime

I posted one possibility here

Additional history is here

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Re: Commodore trademark has a new daddy
 

Are you referring to the Video Compression Technology?

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If they are banking on yet another video codec, good luck. Not sure why they would figure that would re-invent the world, if that is their ace in the hole.

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I only said the reference was a possibility.
As described by Asiarim when they first signed the terms sheet (now cancelled):
source

So, we're talking about bandwidth, imo. That's not like a codec you have to convince someone to use because it's better. Compression at this level would have more general appeal. As I understand it, this was intended to be in the marketplace long ago but held up in patent disputes.

Worldwide rights reported

Termination of negotiations with Asiarim

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I bought a fractal compression program back in the 1990s. If the size of the file to be compressed was divisible by certain values, and it was Tuesday and the moon was blue, it would work fine. Otherwise you were just as well off using zip. I can understand why FIF never took off.

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Understood. Hence why I posted about horsepower in the other comment I made.

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No I would say your view that it could be the compression technology is valid. Given Barry's history with stuff like this. After all him and his brother found a way of breaking the HBO encryption back in the 80's. So it's possible that, if it is this tech, he will see it as a way of breaking back into the mainstream.

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That's interesting.

I've looked at this from the start of the Yeahronimo vs Tulip war only. We've seen constant rebranding of off the shelf h/w, but nothing you could say would set them apart from the rest of the competitors in today's world.
Ergo, when I 1st read about EuroAmerican S.A. contacting Asiarim, this seemed different to me.

I must repeat, however:
(1)We don't know enough about EuroAmerican S.A. atm to prove either the technology, or frankly given the history of Commodore/Amiga and lawsuits...whether the patent is really solely in their hands. I'd like to know more.

(2)Since EuroAmerican S.A. cancelled the negotiations with Asiarim (for obvious reasons now that we've seen the lawsuit) we have no proof they would re-enter negotiations with any new parties associated with Commodore.

Barry posted 2 days ago:
Whether that applies only to the Commodore IP or relates also to what we are discussing re:wavelet technology is yet to be seen.

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