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06-21-2004, 03:39 AM
Both are rather core parts of being human, though we tend to sway more one part than the other.

I don't let my head rule my heart, I make sure of it! I try to be reasonable and rational about everything. :-)

lol just contradicted myself by using an emoticon

whabang
06-21-2004, 08:20 AM
Which of the following do you prefer?
Klingon
Vulcan


(I prefer Klingon, BTW)

cecilia
06-21-2004, 09:48 AM
logic.

one should not ignore ones' emotions - they are very useful, but intelligence and being rational makes you a better person.

plus, being logic doesn't exclude humor. look as Asimov! he was always funny!

that_punk_guy
06-21-2004, 10:35 AM
People who put emotion above logic tend to be very confused.

Hence, me. But I am a better artist this way. :-D

(Disclaimer: I am not really illogical.)

Speelgoedmannetje
06-21-2004, 10:47 AM
I think emotions are very logical,
ppl tend to ignore many aspects wich have influence on emotions and with that, emotions seem to be illogical.

And with that, I am a fond believer of 'buffering', but that's a story for another time.

note: I rather think in terms of practicality rather than emotions or logics.

whabang
06-21-2004, 12:16 PM
@Speel
Hmm,
Have you had a chat with Jono lately?
I'm getting a déja vu here! :-D

FluffyMcDeath
06-21-2004, 01:54 PM
The answer to your question is yes.

As Speel notes, emotions ARE logical.
It's like asking which is more important, reflex or planned actions? Reflexes are good at doing something likely to be appropriate (though not guaranteed to be) when there is no time to make a considered plan. In those sorts of situations, coming up with the perfect plan by power of reason could have you dead long before you got through drawing a helpful diagram.

Then there's the hybrid "trained response" that athletes and martial artists aquire. These are actions to be taken in response to certain situations that are worked out ahead of time and then practiced to become like reflexes.

Abou27
06-21-2004, 03:09 PM
Logical responses to emotion.




P.S. Slightly related, but not really...do emoticons work for others on IBrowse? I get no response when click on. Suppose typing them manually would work?:-?

Abou27
06-21-2004, 03:14 PM
Cool. No longer :-?; answered my own question:-D. Annoying about clicking not working, though. Another language to learn:lol:

the_leander
06-21-2004, 09:12 PM
I honestly think that a ballance is required at all times, as absolutes in anything tend to have unfortunate consequences.

But then I believe in balance as a way of life...

Bobsonsirjonny
06-22-2004, 04:12 AM
You cant have one with out the other. For example I see someone getting a kicking in the street logically I would stay to one side and phone the police to avoid getting hurt. By the time the police get there the person could be dead.. Emotion would cause me to pile in and attack the attackers.

Point is we humans are irrational. A wholly logical world would be quite dull. It would be predictable.Concepts of right, wrong, good, evil and even love itself could not exist. Look at neanderthal man, they lacked imagination. For example they would cry when they were hurt - but not when someone else was. They would not have been affected by the death of their child - though they would have been spurred on to do logical things if their child wes hurt, as logically you want them to survive to spread the genes on. They didnt bury their dead - they would just leave them out in the open. They needed food, so logically they made tools to kill. If you told them a joke about a talking Rock they wouldnt get it because Rocks can't talk. Logic erodes the grey - and black and white is dull.

But likewise if it was all about emotion we'd be so highly strung that many a person would top themselves..

Speelgoedmannetje
06-22-2004, 04:24 AM
@Bobsonsirjonny

but why did the Neanderthals invented the flute then?

Bobsonsirjonny
06-22-2004, 05:08 AM
They didnt invent the flute - though they did blow in horns and such like as a means of communication. They were tough as old boots. Archilogists have come across neanderthal skeletons that have some amazing fractures in them - Modern Mans body could not survive the impacts that Neanderthals put themselves through. Its as if they had wolverines healing ability :-)

One skeleton was found with 72 different fractures - all healed! If that was you or I we would be pulp.

Speelgoedmannetje
06-22-2004, 07:36 AM
neanderthal flute (http://www.webster.sk.ca/greenwich/fl-compl.htm)
It's the first flute ever to be associated with Neanderthals and its confirmed age makes it the oldest known musical instrument.

the real reason why Neanerthals were extinct isn't really known yet, some hypothesises are the diet (wich was primarily based on meat) or that they were slaughtered by homo sapiens.

cecilia
06-22-2004, 08:31 AM
If you told them a joke about a talking Rock they wouldnt get it because Rocks can't talk. :-o

maybe you didn't tell the joke right....timing is everything!
:roflmao:

Bobsonsirjonny
06-22-2004, 08:48 AM
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
neanderthal flute (http://www.webster.sk.ca/greenwich/fl-compl.htm)
It's the first flute ever to be associated with Neanderthals and its confirmed age makes it the oldest known musical instrument.

the real reason why Neanerthals were extinct isn't really known yet, some hypothesises are the diet (wich was primarily based on meat) or that they were slaughtered by homo sapiens.

There are also questions as to did homo sapien and Neanderthals breed. Also there are doubts (evidence goes either way) as to if they ever met each other - continental drift and an Ice Age etc..

As for the flute - I have my doubts that is is neanderthal.. Unless it was invented purely as a tool. Its unlikely that they would have knowingly created a tune from it. Another theory why Neanderthal died out was because it lacked imagination to adapt - that is it can only go so far. It couldnt dream.

Bobsonsirjonny
06-22-2004, 08:49 AM
cecilia wrote:
If you told them a joke about a talking Rock they wouldnt get it because Rocks can't talk. :-o

maybe you didn't tell the joke right....timing is everything!
:roflmao:

Haha - but they wouldnt have even got that ;-)

MAD
06-22-2004, 09:03 AM
Hoya!

As humans we have logic, which makes us "superior" AND emotions, which make us... ANIMAL! :-)

Be funky

M A D

Bobsonsirjonny
06-22-2004, 10:50 AM
No the combination of emotion and logic is what makes us. An animal has gut instinct - its pre programmed if you will to re-act and act. We can overide this though - but some times its emotion which causes us to overide an instinct - such as killing. Sometimes killing is logical - but we dont do it. You are coming for me with a knife and gun to kill me - logically I kill you 1st, Im saved. But emotion says Im not gonna kill you.

Speelgoedmannetje
06-22-2004, 11:01 AM
It's very tricky to look in the mind of a Neanderthal, especially since the species has extinct. I mean, it's already tricky to look in the mind of a non-extinct homo sapiens.
And that about the interbreeding theory, I posted a thread about it here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7026).

FluffyMcDeath
06-22-2004, 02:02 PM
Bobsonsirjonny wrote:
We can overide this though - but some times its emotion which causes us to overide an instinct - such as killing.

I disagree. Emotion is instinctual. It happens without training, but it can be changed by experience and consciuos effort. While emotion is instinctive, it is also logical in its own way. Instinct is more correct than random action. Is it logical to be afraid of spiders? If no spider could possibly harm you, it would be illogical.

Sometimes killing is logical - but we dont do it. You are coming for me with a knife and gun to kill me - logically I kill you 1st, Im saved. But emotion says Im not gonna kill you.
Which is also the logical thing to do most of the time since we are highly dependant on each other and killing each other is killing someone who could potentially help you at another time. However, as people rise up the food chain they feel less need for people on lower rungs and are more inclined to act murderously (often by proxy) toward them. Rulers and their armies have tended to slaughter the peasants much more than the peasants have killed each other.