There is no such thing as a free market

[FluffyMcDeath]

If governments don't try to regulate a market for the benefit of the people then others will conspire to regulate it for the benefit of themselves.

More proof that ENRON gamed the system (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/eveningnews/main620626.shtml) and robbed Californians of billions.

[Glaucus]

Oh come on Fluffy, don't ya know? That's just lefty propaganda again! ...sorry, I just want to know what it felt like being a right wign stooge for a change ;-) :-D

- Mike

[cecilia]

ugh! I'm disgused by those s.h.i.t.h.e.a.d.s
I was in LA when all this was going down. we were told there would be schduled brownouts and the prices were going up, etc, etc.

everyone with 2 brain cells knew we were being shafted.

give me 5 min in an empty room with those {bleep}s. I'll let them know what I think of them.

:admonish:

[FluffyMcDeath]

cecilia wrote:

give me 5 min in an empty room with those {bleep}s. I'll let them know what I think of them.

:admonish:

Bring something of a large caliber with a big clip so you can spell it out to them in morse.

[KennyR]

There's no such thing as minimal government either, as we can see.

[the_leander]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

cecilia wrote:

give me 5 min in an empty room with those {bleep}s. I'll let them know what I think of them.

:admonish:

Bring something of a large caliber with a big clip so you can spell it out to them in morse.

Clip? Nah belts are better, my own personal preference being the MG42 (circa 1941 - present day) that can run off 800 rounds in 60 seconds, very distinctive sound to it (as many ww2 vets will testify) and utterly reliable in all weather and environments (Don't want to get there only for equipment failure now do we?).

Well if you're going to do it, do it properly!

[iamaboringperson]

Enron Capitalism

Feudalism: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.


Communism: You have two cows. You must take care of them, but the government takes all the
milk.


Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.


Enron Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt-equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred through an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The Enron annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more.

[KennyR]

;)

[whabang]

the_leander wrote:

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

cecilia wrote:

give me 5 min in an empty room with those {bleep}s. I'll let them know what I think of them.

:admonish:

Bring something of a large caliber with a big clip so you can spell it out to them in morse.

Clip? Nah belts are better, my own personal preference being the MG42 (circa 1941 - present day) that can run off 800 rounds in 60 seconds, very distinctive sound to it (as many ww2 vets will testify) and utterly reliable in all weather and environments (Don't want to get there only for equipment failure now do we?).

Well if you're going to do it, do it properly!
Baah! This baby will do the job!
http://www.hkpro.com/image/gmgcover.jpg

[odin]

'User friendly' :lol:. Brilliant ad :-).

[KennyR]

That thing's even got a laser sight. Why the hell do you need accuracy with something that can fire grenades as fast as a machine gun fires bullets?!? It's like sticking an iron sight on a nuclear missile!

[odin]

Must be psychological warfare. You know...spotting a red dot on your comrade and a second later he explodes in a fountain of flesh and blood. Prolly taking you with him in the explosion. ;-)

[KennyR]

Yeah. I could probably stand up to multiple rounds of high explosive ordnance, but that little laser dot would freak me out.

;-)

[Dan]

iamaboringperson wrote:
Enron Capitalism

Feudalism: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.


Communism: You have two cows. You must take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.



Capitalism: You have two cows. Bigger neighbour farmer got 500 cows because he could buy more cows because he could lie good enough to get a bankloan. The dairy company refuses to buy your milk because you don´t reach minimum quantity off milk needed for their tankcar to come and get it. You can´t sell it yourself because you can´t fullfill all needed permits.

And neither system care about the animals.

How the small (swedish) farmer always did it: Always save for unexpected expenses. Never take unnecessary financial risks.Take care of your land both fields and woods because that is were your future income and your childrens income will come from. If your pension isn´t enough sell some timber from the trees you planted when you where young. Live most of your life on the farm and enjoy a life without the stress of fixed worktime or rushhour traffic. Enjoy living close to nature and shake your head at people who constantly looks at their wrist:-)

If the economic politics in farming don´t change people will be starving again in the US and Europe within the next 20 years.

[T_Bone]

Dan wrote:

iamaboringperson wrote:
Enron Capitalism

Feudalism: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.


Communism: You have two cows. You must take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.



Capitalism: You have two cows. Bigger neighbour farmer got 500 cows because he could buy more cows because he could lie good enough to get a bankloan. The dairy company refuses to buy your milk because you don´t reach minimum quantity off milk needed for their tankcar to come and get it. You can´t sell it yourself because you can´t fullfill all needed permits.

And neither system care about the animals.

How the small (swedish) farmer always did it: Always save for unexpected expenses. Never take unnecessary financial risks.Take care of your land both fields and woods because that is were your future income and your childrens income will come from. If your pension isn´t enough sell some timber from the trees you planted when you where young. Live most of your life on the farm and enjoy a life without the stress of fixed worktime or rushhour traffic. Enjoy living close to nature and shake your head at people who constantly looks at their wrist:-)

If the economic politics in farming don´t change people will be starving again in the US and Europe within the next 20 years.


Yea, my grandfather worked his ass off trying to run a small farm. He said it's the hardest work you'll ever do to stay poor. He loved the work though, he loved it so much he continued doing it far longer than it could even make enough to break even.

Farming policy always leaves me conflicted. It's hard to argue against that cheap food from larger farms is in the interest of the common good, but I really miss the small farming industries, and the community of people that made up these industries.