Michael Moore & "Fahrenheit 9/11"

[Van_M]

What do you think of this whole issue? What do you think about the pressure put on MIRAMAX by it's owner Disney so the movie is not released? Should the movie be shown before the presidential elections? What do you think of Michael Moore in general?

I realy think he did it just for the sake of creating controversy but his work has mostly good points. Anyway even if the movie gets canceled/removed by it's owner I'm sure a copy will leak on the internet and we'll eventualy enjoy it!
/me np My Dying Bride - "Into the Lake of Ghosts"

[that_punk_guy]

You like My Dying Bride??! I love you!!! :-D

[cecilia]

Should the movie be shown before the presidential elections?absolutly! even if it only opens a few eyes, it needs to be seen.
I always considered Moore to be a great american. it's not that i agree with everything he says. it's that he isn't afraid to say dangerous things. and that is the essence of being american.

[Van_M]

I liked Bowling for Columbine... he's is pretty talented on passing strong messages.
I really think that they can't get away, with removing/banning it, because this piece of work won the Cannes' biggest award so the public now HAS knowledge about it. The most they can do is postponing it's release until, after the elections so the Republicans don't lose vote's because of it...

--EDIT- Yep, I do like My Dying Bride. I use to listen to them on my "downs"... they help, clean out the sh*te!
/me np Dark Tranquillity - "Format C for Cortex"

[redrumloa]

What do you think of this whole issue? What do you think about the pressure put on MIRAMAX by it's owner Disney so the movie is not released?

No opinion on the Mirimax issue. On one hand they can be seen as censoring if they don't. On the other hand if they did release it they would be seen as supporting liberal propoganda. Considering the author of the movie, I don't think I can blame Disney on this one.

Should the movie be shown before the presidential elections?

Sure why not. The target audience wouldn't believe the truth anyways, even if the truth hit them in the head like a brick.

What do you think of Michael Moore in general?

A fat fiction writer. His work has no basis in reality, yet the liberal left eat it up since they can't handle reality.

[ltstanfo]

Van_M wrote:
What do you think of this whole issue? What do you think about the pressure put on MIRAMAX by it's owner Disney so the movie is not released? Should the movie be shown before the presidential elections? What do you think of Michael Moore in general?

With respect to Disney, that was their decision. As for MIRAMAX, I'm sure that they will be able to find a distributer now that they have bought the film from Disney for the costs to date. With regard the film, I think Michael took advantage of the perceived situation (Disney vs. MIRAMAX) to get some free publicity and he did a great job of that. As for my opinion of Mr. Moore, this has been covered before in two separate topics...in short, I am no fan of his works of fiction. But then again, as we all read in the two previous topics, Mr. Moore is an expert in creating two distint groups...those who believe him and those who do not. Your mileage may vary.

I realy think he did it just for the sake of creating controversy but his work has mostly good points. Anyway even if the movie gets canceled/removed by it's owner I'm sure a copy will leak on the internet and we'll eventualy enjoy it!
/me np My Dying Bride - "Into the Lake of Ghosts"

Mr. Moore is a master at stirring up controversy so no arguement there. As for his work having "mostly good points", that is a matter of opinion so I'll leave that one be. The movie is likely to be shown (and before the election in November) and that is fine with me. People believe what they want to believe and this film won't make much of a difference...just like "Bowling for Columbine" didn't make any significant difference when all the controversy was said and done.

I'm just waiting to see someone make a documentary about Michael Moore. :-D

Regards,
ltstanfo

[Glaucus]

A fat fiction writer. His work has no basis in reality, yet the liberal left eat it up since they can't handle reality.Strong words don't change the fact that you're wrong and we're right! ;-)

- Mike

[that_punk_guy]

Van_M wrote:
Yep, I do like My Dying Bride. I use to listen to them on my "downs"... they help, clean out the sh*te!

Forgive me my over-excitement, it's just I've been singing the praises of this band since I discovered them a couple of years ago but feeling somewhat alone in my high regard for them. A lot of people don't know about them, I find it so depressing when I know more about metal than some self-professed "metalheads." :-(

Regarding the topic, I think my feelings are well-known... :-)

[odin]

If it's any consolation, I've heard of My Dying Bride. Downloaded a couple of MP3s and they're now on my 'to-buy'-list :).

[Wilse]

The target audience wouldn't believe the truth anyways, even if the truth hit them in the head like a brick.

Indeed - more than half of them still think Saddam flew planes into the World Trade Centre.







(aside: Have you seen the film and if not why do you feel qualified to tell us it's false?)

[manicx]

Glaucus wrote:
A fat fiction writer. His work has no basis in reality, yet the liberal left eat it up since they can't handle reality.Strong words don't change the fact that you're wrong and we're right! ;-)

- Mike

Amen...

[redrumloa]

Glaucus wrote:
Strong words don't change the fact that you're wrong and we're right! ;-)


What part are you right about? He has actors acting out scenes, and says it's real. He cut and pastes various phrases from various speeches to make it appears like things were said, when it is a total lie. His claims, so called facts and by extension his conclusions are pure fantasy.

I don't get it, you don't mind verifiable lies and blatant propoganda for profit as long as it supports your views :-?

[cecilia]

redrumloa wrote:
He has actors acting out scenes, and says it's real. He cut and pastes various phrases from various speeches to make it appears like things were said, when it is a total lie. His claims, so called facts and by extension his conclusions are pure fantasy.

I don't get it, you don't mind verifiable lies and blatant propoganda for profit as long as it supports your views :-? i guess you just don't understand art and film making.
this may come as a shock, but when the team that made From the Earth to the Moon (which was about the apollo missions), we DIDN'T go to the Moon to film those scenes.

See that Av on the left? There wasn't a camera just off to the right of the capsule. That was ME, taking and making several FLAT images and compositing footage from a miniature capsule. was I "lying"??????

Art creates a moment via whatever means necessary to make people FEEL something. and if you think the word "documentary" means it supposed to be "real", you haven't been paying any attention to how people like Ken Burns have totally revitalized the definition.

with most of my effects you can't TELL it's not "real". I put people and things that weren't even in the same damn room at the same time. But you can't tell. it doesn't matter. you may not like the message, but people have been using these techniqes for the last 100 years.

[that_punk_guy]

redrumloa wrote:
I don't get it, you don't mind verifiable lies and blatant propoganda for profit as long as it supports your views :-?

The exact same can be said of every anti-Moore site. :-)

[KennyR]

Redrumloa wrote:
I don't get it, you don't mind verifiable lies and blatant propoganda for profit as long as it supports your views

*Cough* FOX! *cough*

[FluffyMcDeath]

redrumloa wrote:

I don't get it, you don't mind verifiable lies and blatant propoganda for profit as long as it supports your views :-?

Why not go see Farenheit 9/11 first, then critique it. Or you could just wait and get some "opinion" spooned to you from the RNC spin machine.

[redrumloa]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:
Why not go see Farenheit 9/11 first, then critique it.

That's like saying why not read Mein Kampf before critiqing Adolf Hitler. Naah Moore isn't getting my money to blow on more jelly doughnuts.

Or you could just wait and get some "opinion" spooned to you from the RNC spin machine.

RNC spin machine? Huh :-? You trying to say Moore's work is based on facts? Where's the evidence to back that up? Oh right, there is none.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Red said:
That's like saying why not read Mein Kampf before critiqing Adolf Hitler. Naah Moore isn't getting my money to blow on more jelly doughnuts.

That's like all them god fearin' types who won't look at fossils coz they're just Satans lies.

Anyway, for a cheap thrill, here's the trailer.
It's FREE!

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/

[FluffyMcDeath]

redrumloa wrote:

RNC spin machine? Huh :-?
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Don't you know how much they spend on PR companies? Don't you know what PR companies do?
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You trying to say Moore's work is based on facts? Where's the evidence to back that up? Oh right, there is none.
Based on facts. Yes. The evidence is the facts themselves. If you say there is no evidence you simply deny the facts.

You probably object to his editorial slant but you are confusing that with the facts he uses to support it.

[Glaucus]

There's also this interesting footage from cannes (it's from the netherlands, but most of it is in English).

FAHRENHEIT 9/11 (http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/tv/vpro/ramcannes/bb.20040517.rm?start=0:0:50&end=0:9:36.30&title=Fahrenheit%20911%20Michael%20Moore%20fragmen t%20en%20impressie%20van%20de%20persconferentie%20 in%20Cannes%202004[/url)

- Mike