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Wilse
05-21-2004, 12:29 PM
Rebel hideout?:

Major General James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division, was scathing of those who suggested a wedding party had been hit. "How many people go to the middle of the desert ... to hold a wedding 80 miles (130km) from the nearest civilisation? These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let's not be naive."

When reporters asked him about footage on Arabic television of a
child's body being lowered into a grave, he replied: "I have not seen
the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don't have to apologise
for the conduct of my men."

Wedding venue?:

"The bombing started at 3am," she said yesterday from her bed in the emergency ward at Ramadi general hospital, 60 miles west of Baghdad. "We went out of the house and the American soldiers started to shoot us. They were shooting low on the ground and targeting us one by one," she said. She ran with her youngest child in her arms and her two young boys, Ali and Hamza, close behind. As she crossed the fields a shell exploded close to her, fracturing her legs and knocking her to the ground.

She lay there and a second round hit her on the right arm. By then her two boys lay dead. "I left them because they were dead," she said. One, she saw, had been decapitated by a shell.

"I fell into the mud and an American soldier came and kicked me. I pretended to be dead so he wouldn't kill me. My youngest child was alive next to me."

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"I saw something that nobody ever saw in this world," said Mr Nawaf. "There were children's bodies cut into pieces, women cut into pieces, men cut into pieces."

Among the dead was his daughter Fatima Ma'athi, 25, and her two young
boys, Raad, four, and Raed, six. "I found Raad dead in her arms. The
other boy was lying beside her. I found only his head," he said. His
sister Simoya, the wife of Haji Rakat, was also killed with her two
daughters. "The Americans call these people foreign fighters. It is a
lie. I just want one piece of evidence of what they are saying."

bloodline
05-21-2004, 01:13 PM
I've seen Photo's dude!!! it's clearly a Terrorist hide out! The SAMs are a dead give away!

Glaucus
05-21-2004, 01:17 PM
Well, considering America's name is now worse then mud in the eyes of the average Iraqi, it really doesn't matter if they killed a wedding party or not, in the minds of the Iraqis they are guilty and they will be punished for it regardless of what the truth may be. No Iraqi will believe what an American says as they are now seen as nothing more then brutal criminals and oppressors. So much for the battle for the "hearts and minds." Way to go Bush!

- Mike

bloodline
05-21-2004, 01:20 PM
Glaucus wrote:
Well, considering America's name is now worse then mud in the eyes of the average Iraqi, it really doesn't matter if they killed a wedding party or not, in the minds of the Iraqis they are guilty and they will be punished for it regardless of what the truth may be. No Iraqi will believe what an American says as they are now seen as nothing more then brutal criminals and oppressors. So much for the battle for the "hearts and minds." Way to go Bush!

- Mike

You have a really good point, with some clever propaganda and careful timing it would have been easy for the US to actually get the Iraqi people on their side... but the morons who engineered this whole thing seem to have about as much tactical skill as the British army commanders during the 1st world war...

Karlos
05-21-2004, 05:51 PM
I'm sure one of our official US military spokespersons will clarify the issue.

Smerf?

Seriously. I loved the pish poor half excuse that it was "miles away in the desert". FFS, there are innumerable of small villages miles from anywhere in most countries.

Bodie
05-22-2004, 12:14 AM
Karlos wrote:

Seriously. I loved the pish poor half excuse that it was "miles away in the desert". FFS, there are innumerable of small villages miles from anywhere in most countries.

Would that include Las Vegas? :-P

Dan
05-22-2004, 04:01 PM
Wilse wrote:
Rebel hideout?:

Major General James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division, was scathing of those who suggested a wedding party had been hit. "How many people go to the middle of the desert ... to hold a wedding 80 miles (130km) from the nearest civilisation? These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let's not be naive."

Military-age???
Ok,lets not be naive, kill every male above the age of five! :pissed:

Karlos
05-22-2004, 05:57 PM
Bodie wrote:

Would that include Las Vegas? :-P

Uh huh huh...

/elvis

Glaucus
05-24-2004, 02:58 AM
Well, if there was any doubt, there's none now:

'Wedding video' clouds US denials (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3741223.stm)

A videotape has been broadcast which purports to show before-and-after footage of a wedding which Iraqis say the US bombed, killing about 40.

I wonder where they planned to take their honeymoon???

- Mike

Wilse
05-24-2004, 02:43 PM
@Bloodline:

I saw photos too - of dead women and little girls, mainly.

Was this the Al-Qaeda-female-kiddie-brigade?

Karlos
05-25-2004, 02:29 AM
@Glaucus

You've got to love the "admissions" and the way they are slanted.

"Bad guys have parties too"

So, they are definately bad guys. Including the women and kids, I assume.

"We still don't believe that there was a wedding or a wedding party going on when we hit in the early hours of the morning"

Well duh! Of course there wasn't. People had gone to bed by then.

"Could there have been some sort of celebration going on earlier? Certainly."

You mean like a wedding party perhaps?

Of course, if their claims are true then they are making a total mess of proving it. Either way it's a no win for them.

This is just one more event that simply adds weight to the notion that the occupying forces grip on the situation, ability to interpret intelligence on the ground etc. is seriously failing.

Wilse
05-29-2004, 08:09 AM
@Dan:

Military-age???
Ok,lets not be naive, kill every male above the age of five!


Scarily enough, military age males or MAMs, was the terminoligy used in Vietnam.
It's another way of justifying killing innocent people.

You know, the ones they're supposed to be, ahem, "freeing"?