Government spending now exceeds $20,000.00 per household.

[T_Bone]

YIKES!

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/BG1710.cfm

You know, I voted Republican because I want to see this number reduced, but it's at it's highest since WWII.

Does each household spend $20,000 each year in tax?

[T_Bone]

JonoPike wrote:
Does each household spend $20,000 each year in tax?

Hell no.

I think Conservative Republicans ought to seriously consider abandoning the Republican party and emigrate to the Conservative party if this keeps up. The problem with this is that the Conservative party keeps running complete pricks for office. :(

Federal government is too damned big.

[redrumloa]

T_Bone wrote:
YIKES!

I agree :-x

[Fade]

It is extremely hard to change the mindset of congress after 50 years of tax and spend liberalism.

Any time a congressman suggests a mandatory balanced budget, the Democrats laugh him off the podium.

Remember when Newt Gingrich got a bill passed in the House that would require a balanced budget? It was promptly killed off in the Senate by the Democrats. And some people still believe the Democrats want a balanced budget! The only way they want one is to get our tax rates back up in the 90% bracket.

Oh yeah! Remember what they did to Gingrich after that? A good lesson to anybody else that might want to try it again.

[T_Bone]

Fade wrote:
It is extremely hard to change the mindset of congress after 50 years of tax and spend liberalism.

Any time a congressman suggests a mandatory balanced budget, the Democrats laugh him off the podium.

Remember when Newt Gingrich got a bill passed in the House that would require a balanced budget? It was promptly killed off in the Senate by the Democrats. And some people still believe the Democrats want a balanced budget! The only way they want one is to get our tax rates back up in the 90% bracket.

Oh yeah! Remember what they did to Gingrich after that? A good lesson to anybody else that might want to try it again.

Gingrich was the man!

Havent been impressed as much as I have been with the whole "Contract with America" revolution in congress, since Reagan was president.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Fade wrote:
It is extremely hard to change the mindset of congress after 50 years of tax and spend liberalism.



Didn't take long for Dumbya to change that. He was pretty quick to bring in a "tax less, spend more" policy. As Dick Cheney said to George Bush "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" (Ron Suskind, The Price of Loyalty, p. 291).

[Fade]

@ FluffyMcDeath
"Didn't take long for Dumbya to change that. He was pretty quick to bring in a "tax less, spend more" policy. As Dick Cheney said to George Bush "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" (Ron Suskind, The Price of Loyalty, p. 291)."
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Fluffy, we have had this discussion before, but you always forget.

The Congress holds the purse strings in the US, not the President.
It is the job of Congress to propose all spending and or taxes. The president can only approve or disapprove the bills. If the President says no, the Congress can overrule him, but the President cannot overrule the Congress. Please try to remember. :rtfm:

[FluffyMcDeath]

Fade wrote:

It is the job of Congress to propose all spending and or taxes. The president can only approve or disapprove the bills. If the President says no, the Congress can overrule him, but the President cannot overrule the Congress.

He can badger the congress, and lie to the congress to get approval for spending he wants, and he can get spending for one thing and secretly spend it on another, and he has done. Bush has lead the way on this. This is Bush's agenda. Congress just happens to have given him everything he wanted, but the directions are coming from the Whitehouse.

[Fade]

That's an opinion, if I ever heard one.

The most powerful man in Washington has always been considered The Speaker of the House, not the President.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Fade wrote:
That's an opinion, if I ever heard one.

The most powerful man in Washington has always been considered The Speaker of the House, not the President.

That's an opinion also. I have also heard the opinion that he is the most powerful man outside of the whitehouse. That is also an opinion.

Nonetheless, there is a remarkable amount of agreement between what the Prez has asked for and what the Congress has given so if they are just doing what you would expect from a bunch of liberals and what they are doing is what Bush is asking them to do, then Bush must be a liberal too.

[T_Bone]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

Fade wrote:
That's an opinion, if I ever heard one.

The most powerful man in Washington has always been considered The Speaker of the House, not the President.

That's an opinion also. I have also heard the opinion that he is the most powerful man outside of the whitehouse. That is also an opinion.

Nonetheless, there is a remarkable amount of agreement between what the Prez has asked for and what the Congress has given so if they are just doing what you would expect from a bunch of liberals and what they are doing is what Bush is asking them to do, then Bush must be a liberal too.

Well, he's no fiscal conservative, and he's definately no Reagan. :-)
(On the other hand, he's not Kerry!)