US Soldiers Torture Iraqi POW

[asian1]

Pictures from CBS on torture of Iraqi POW by US Soldiers:

Scandal (http://www.albasrah.net/images/iraqi-pow/iraqi-pow)

Will the soldiers and officers face trial in US or Iraq?

Is there any similar scandal in Afghanistan, Guantanamo or other countries?

[AccyD]

asian1 wrote:
Will the soldiers and officers face trial in US or Iraq?


Probably not & rightly so, since those photos look like doctored images. Also, since the site you are linking to has a seriously unbiased slant I would say that most people, like I, would dismiss this as propaganda from the loony left.

[Glaucus]

Probably not & rightly so, since those photos look like doctored images.Well, the US gov has already said they have arrested six soldiers (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html) and others are under investigation, so I'd say you're wrong on that account.

From CNN:
The U.S. military said six soldiers have been charged with criminal offenses for abusing inmates at Abu Ghraib prison, which was infamous under Saddam Hussein's reign.

"It would appear to us that if, in fact, the pictures are what they appear to be, they will face a court of law, a criminal court of law, and they will have to face a judge and a jury for their actions," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said.

Also, since the site you are linking to has a seriously unbiased slant I would say that most people, like I, would dismiss this as propaganda from the loony left.CBS News is the looney left? Didn't you notice the CBS watermark on those photos?!? That's where those pictures where first shown.

- Mike

[Seehund]

Glaucus wrote:

CBS News is the looney left? Didn't you notice the CBS watermark on those photos?!? That's where those pictures where first shown.


He's probably talking about those "rape" photos further down the page. Looks like they're from a bad uniform fetish porn flick. Couldn't they have taught the actors how to wear a uniform? That crap always spoils the experience. :P

As for the CBS photos, the biggest mistake committed here was letting redneck female prison officers run the show unsupervised. Sadistic unibrow {bleep}es (whether they're MPs, prison officers, cops, rentacops or metermaids) aren't any different when they work with criminals in Iraq than when they work anywhere else. But hey, the media gets Sex & Violence (nude = sex, we're talking media here) in one nice package, and the loony left and Islamic fundamentalist nutjob websites (I'm inclined to include amiga.org's Coffee House there...) get something else (for once) to try to use as an argument against the war.

If the prisoners were members of the former Iraqi secret police or Baath officials, or even common thieves for that matter, they are probably happier to be piled up naked with Yankee chicks than being shot in the neck, have electricity in real wires attached to them, or have their hands cut off, which is what they could expect if they were caught by anybody else than the coalition forces. (And no, I'm not saying that this should excuse moronic behaviour, but COME ON! Doesn't anything important or interesting happen in the world? Court martial the idiots (if they're military), and move on.)

Speaking of prisons, I think CBS has a more important job to do to investigate prisons at home (where these people normally work). Thousands of prisoners are raped, murdered and commit suicide every year, and drug use/smuggling is rampant.

Crud, I just realised I wasted 1.5kB on this nonsense.

[Seehund]

asian1 wrote:

Is there any similar scandal in Afghanistan, Guantanamo or other countries?


Heh.
Yes (http://www.google.com/search?&q=torture+rape+prison+-ghraib), but it's usually not committed by personnel hired by US or British armed forces, so there won't be hours upon hours on TV and thread upon thread in amiga.org's CH, so... No, no scandals. :P

[MAD]

Hoya!

Well, I do not know if these images are true or not but every war has seen torture, humiliation, rape and so on...
Seems this one is no exception...

Be funky

M A D

[QuikSanz]

Glaucus Wrote,

"CBS News is the looney left? Didn't you notice the CBS watermark on those photos?!? That's where those pictures where first shown."

Ah yes the "Clinton Broadcast System" Always so one sided it hurts.

Chris

[that_punk_guy]

QuikSanz wrote:
Ah yes the "Clinton Broadcast System" Always so one sided it hurts.


And the "other side" of the story regarding this particular news item is...?

[QuikSanz]

@ TPG,

You may have missed it but, We have a guy running for president now who testified, in congress, on camera admitting he committed war crimes in Viet Nam, CBS And their liberal cohorts are giving him a pass. With attitudes like this anything goes. belleve me when I say that I hope these soldiers if found guilty in a Courts Marshall, They spend plenty of hard labor time at Levanworth.

Chris

[Glaucus]

that_punk_guy wrote:
QuikSanz wrote:
Ah yes the "Clinton Broadcast System" Always so one sided it hurts.


And the "other side" of the story regarding this particular news item is...?
Are you suggesting that CBS doctored the photos? If not, then what's your point? Let's not forget, your personal god, George W Bush has lashed out at these very same actions. I can't believe the right-wingers on this forum, there's no low too low for them to stoop to.

- Mike

[angrybrit]

I thought they were showing a liberal frat party. :lol:

[KennyR]

Seehund wrote:
...and the loony left and Islamic fundamentalist nutjob websites (I'm inclined to include amiga.org's Coffee House there...) get something else (for once) to try to use as an argument against the war.

What other arguments to we actually need? We've been lied to incessantly by the Bush administration and it's sycophants while the pictures of murdered people come in, and the only reasoning behind the illegal invasion are lies, lies and more lies. And now we see that the 'coalition' have added rape and torture to their list of crimes committed with liberating the oilfields they crave so much.

I'm just wondering about you, Seehund. Americans at least have an excuse for their mindless, idiotic support of the war: they are fed bull**** by their corporate-owned media, know nothing about the world outside their own borders, and are still terminally infected by the kind of people who, politically speaking, would either be better off herding steer or hoarding guns in bunkers than being into politics, but what's your excuse?

[Speelgoedmannetje]

KennyR wrote:
I'm just wondering about you, Seehund. Americans at least have an excuse for their mindless, idiotic support of the war: they are fed bull**** by their corporate-owned media, know nothing about the world outside their own borders, and are still terminally infected by the kind of people who, politically speaking, would either be better off herding steer or hoarding guns in bunkers than being into politics, but what's your excuse? Yes, I really wonder what the real difference is between the US and a country like Libya or Iran or so.

[QuikSanz]

@ Glaucus,

What I am saying is that these sources only report good things about liberal and bad thing about conservatives when it's not that cut and dried. The example on earlier post points this out.

Chris

[Glaucus]

QuikSanz wrote:
@ Glaucus,

What I am saying is that these sources only report good things about liberal and bad thing about conservatives when it's not that cut and dried. The example on earlier post points this out.Well, I'm not gonna argue about the sources with you. Fact is, the US president has ordered an investigation into the matter and all official (ie, government and military) indicators suggest that all the photos are legit.

The ones involving the British troops may be suspect and I'll have to wait to see what an investigation turns up, but either way, it doesn't look good for the UK troops in Iraq right now.

- Mike

[QuikSanz]

Hi Glaucus,

As said in previous post I think they'll be dealt with severely, at least I hope so. I do have some problems with Bush, I don't think this will become one.

Chris

[smerf]

Hi,

@KennyR,

"""What other arguments to we actually need? We've been lied to incessantly by the Bush administration and it's sycophants while the pictures of murdered people come in, and the only reasoning behind the illegal invasion are lies, lies and more lies. And now we see that the 'coalition' have added rape and torture to their list of crimes committed with liberating the oilfields they crave so much."""

Eyah dude, and the BS arab channels are really telling it like it is???

"""Yeh, why don't you go shove your nose up a camels or its arab riders arse.""""

""" murdered people, yeah the 3000 people in the twin towers are dead because of poor building practices of the American archetect engineers, and if you believe that one I have a bridge in New York I will sell you or some swamp land down in Florida"""

"""" yeah, we murdered raped and pilliged poor Iraq just like saddam did"""

Come on dude get real here, your anti american bs is just as bad as clintons "I did not have sex with that women"

"""The major difference here is that the American military people here will meet with the military justice system for their acts, be duly tried and convicted and sent to their own little cell to live in"""

""" Eyeah, thats why are oil prices have gone up by $1.50 or more since we went to Iraq"""

War is hell, thats why countries have defense systems, in order to keep things like murder, rape, pilliging etc. out of their country, the stronger countries say we don't give a flying fruit about what you think and just do it, but, America tries to listen to and do what the other countries want.

I don't know why we should appease you morons out there after all we are the power!!

Eat your heart out KennyR and continue to be an American hater, why should we care, your country is weak and takable to us just like every other darn country out there.

Have you noticed that America is trying not to attack Iraq's Holy places, don't know why, we sure aren't scared of their god allah? we sure aren't scared of having a war with Iraq or it's mangy murdering muslim fanatic religion?

The hello with it I say, lets make their holy ground really holy with a couple of cluster bombs since thats where their mangy, murdering, fanatic terrorists are hiding, but the leadership in America won't let it happen.

by the way who cares if we upset you, after all you just another liberal crying in the dark

smerf

[QuikSanz]

@ smerf,

OK, cool down the jets turbo. Yes this is a frustrating thing but, it will settle. This is old news, It's been running thru official channels for some 4-5 months now.

Chris

[Glaucus]

A little bit of background on that infamous chick in all those Abu Graib photos: Hometown shocked by scandal (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3695559.stm)

- Mike

[Glaucus]

And if you have any doubts of the current crop of photos, or if you think that these are an isolated incident, then perhaps you should take a look at what Rumsfeld has to say about this issue:

Rumsfeld: Unreleased images 'cruel and inhuman' (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/07/iraq.abuse.main/index.html)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld revealed Friday that videos and "a lot more pictures" exist of the abuse of Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison.

"If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe."

So what say you now, you great defenders of peace, justice and democracy? You guys still counting on democracy to spread through the middle east like a row of dominos??? Anyone wanna place some bets???

EDIT: Btw, isn't it interesting that when Iraqi forces committed war crimes like these, Saddam took all the blame? Funny no one ever even considered that his forces were acting without his direct authority. Of course the flip side could also be true; that American forces were acting with full authority from their superiors! I also find it interesting that the US continues to shield it's troops from international war crimes tribunals. What a scam!

- Mike

[KennyR]

Smerf wrote:
Eyah dude, and the BS arab channels are really telling it like it is???

Eyah dude, and the BS american channels are really telling it like it is???

I don't know why we should appease you morons out there after all we are the power!!

Power? You mean like the power to keep North Vietnam out of the South? Some power. You're a lot weaker than you think.

The hello with it I say, lets make their holy ground really holy with a couple of cluster bombs since thats where their mangy, murdering, fanatic terrorists are hiding, but the leadership in America won't let it happen.

Because even they're not stupid enough to piss off 90% of the fastest growing religion on Earth and end up with all their embassies being attacked and much more suicide attacks on their people.

[Glaucus]

Power? You mean like the power to keep North Vietnam out of the South? Some power. You're a lot weaker than you think.Exactly. Perhaps the worst thing the US has done is proved that the US isn't nearly as strong as it thinks it is, and that it can still be fought against even if all you have is old, antiquated soviet weapons. Now, imagine what the American death count would have been like if ALL Iraqis were up in arms, or if those arms were modern weapons capable of punching through American armour. Imagine what would have happened if the US decided to invade and occupy Iran! Nah, the US it too weak and it's already bitten off more then it can chew in Iraq.

Because even they're not stupid enough to piss off 90% of the fastest growing religion on EarthNow, now, don't mis-underestimate them! ;-)

- Mike

[Wilse]

@Mike:

isn't it interesting that when Iraqi forces committed war crimes like these, Saddam took all the blame? Funny no one ever even considered that his forces were acting without his direct authority. Of course the flip side could also be true; that American forces were acting with full authority from their superiors! I also find it interesting that the US continues to shield it's troops from international war crimes tribunals.

I was thinking about that too. The old "few bad apples" pish.

I'm absolutely certain Rummy knew all along and am guessing Bush did too.

Either way, when you set examples like gitmo' and announce to the world that certain groups of people don't deserve human rights, you shouldn't be surprised if your troops take it to heart regarding anyone they see as the 'enemy'.

Fascism is upon us. :-)

BTW Mike, kudos for the new sig. - one of my favourite songs. :-)

[Wilse]

@Mike:

Perhaps the worst thing the US has done is proved that the US isn't nearly as strong as it thinks it is, and that it can still be fought against even if all you have is old, antiquated soviet weapons. Now, imagine what the American death count would have been like if ALL Iraqis were up in arms,

I fear you're wasting your breath mate.
100,000 US troops could be slaughtered and smerf would probably just see it as another reason to send even more in.

Maybe he's really George W. Bush? :lol:

[Wolfe]

This was bad but my question is "Who leaked the info and pics to the press"? This is an election year. This was no accident. :-o

[dezignersrepublic]

murdered people, yeah the 3000 people in the twin towers are dead because of poor building practices of the American archetect engineers, and if you believe that one I have a bridge in New York I will sell you or some swamp land down in Florida"""


@smerf

What about the 10 000 innocent Iraqi civilians that have been killed during this illegal war? will people remember them every year like those that perished in the twin towers, will they b*llocks cos hey a muslim death doesn't count right?

[Karlos]

Wolfe wrote:
This was bad but my question is "Who leaked the info and pics to the press"? This is an election year. This was no accident. :-o

Yes. They could have at least had the decency to allow the torture to continue unreported until after Dubyas re-election attempts before exposing something so directly harmful to the cause.

:roll:

[T_Bone]

Karlos wrote:

Wolfe wrote:
This was bad but my question is "Who leaked the info and pics to the press"? This is an election year. This was no accident. :-o

Yes. They could have at least had the decency to allow the torture to continue unreported until after Dubyas re-election attempts before exposing something so directly harmful to the cause.

:roll:

:lol: Exactly!

[cecilia]

shmuck
Come on dude get real here, your anti american bs is just as bad as clintons "I did not have sex with that women" so how many people died when that fat intern smoked clinton's cigar???

it's not "anti-american" to dislike morons.

[Glaucus]

Wolfe wrote:
This was bad but my question is "Who leaked the info and pics to the press"? This is an election year. This was no accident. :-o My money is on Richard Myers.

- Mike

[Glaucus]

Wilse wrote:

I'm absolutely certain Rummy knew all along and am guessing Bush did too.In Fred Kaplan's latest Slate article (I Will Survive (http://slate.msn.com/id/2100201/)), he comments on what Rummy said he knew:

At the same time, under questioning from Sen. Hillary Clinton, Rumsfeld maintained he didn't know anything about Gen. Taguba's report, which graphically detailed the tortures, until it was summarized in the press. The report, he said, "was not anywhere in the Pentagon." Yet Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, knew enough about the report—and the accompanying photos—to ask CBS to delay a story about them for two weeks. And when Clinton asked who decided to call CBS, the general replied that it "had been worked at lower levels, on my staff and the secretary's, for some time." In other words, for well over two weeks—how long is unclear—Rumsfeld's staff dealt with the problem. Yet Rumsfeld didn't know?

Emphasis mine. I think that says it all.


Either way, when you set examples like gitmo' and announce to the world that certain groups of people don't deserve human rights, you shouldn't be surprised if your troops take it to heart regarding anyone they see as the 'enemy'.

And as I'm sure Saddam was well aware of, when you abuse someone's rights there's no need to apologize: Why Bush Didn't Apologize (http://slate.msn.com/id/2100015/)

Finally, some of his statements were false—appallingly so—and one can only hope not too many Iraqis noticed. For instance, he told Al Arabiya that the official investigation into the prison tortures would be "full" and "transparent." To Al Hurra, he added that even conducting an investigation "stands in stark contrast to life under Saddam Hussein. His trained torturers were not brought to justice under his regime."

And yet there was nothing "transparent" about this probe until the photographs and Gen. Taguba's report were leaked to CBS and The New Yorker. The report, though available on the Internet, is still classified Secret, even though, as Steven Aftergood reveals in today's edition of his Secrecy News newsletter, it is a violation of federal law (http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html#1_7) to classify official probes of illegal conduct. There are many legitimate ways Bush might have contrasted America's open government with Saddam's dictatorship—but, alas, this was not one of them.

Isn't that funny? Even the investigation into these abuses violated federal law as it is illegal to classify such an investigation as secret. Hmmm... Chock this up as yet another similarity between Saddam's tyranny and the American occupation.

BTW Mike, kudos for the new sig. - one of my favourite songs. :-)I knew you'd like that. :-D

- Mike

[Wilse]

@Quicksanz:

You may have missed it but, We have a guy running for president now who testified, in congress, on camera admitting he committed war crimes in Viet Nam, CBS And their liberal cohorts are giving him a pass.

Have you read the speech he gave to congress about this?

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/913184/posts

It is very interesting and revealing.
If you haven't read it, I reccommend that you do so.

[Wilse]

@Dezignerz:

What about the 10 000 innocent Iraqi civilians that have been killed during this illegal war? will people remember them every year like those that perished in the twin towers, will they b*llocks cos hey a muslim death doesn't count right?

Precisely.
Countless Iraqi conscripts too.

[Wilse]

Here's riverbend's advice:

I sometimes get emails asking me to propose solutions
or make suggestions. Fine. Today's lesson: don't rape, don't
torture, don't kill and get out while you can- while it still
looks like you have a choice... Chaos? Civil war? Bloodshed?
We'll take our chances- just take your Puppets, your tanks,
your smart weapons, your dumb politicians, your lies, your
empty promises, your rapists, your sadistic torturers and go.

BTW, I should mention that the site with kerry's speech is very
anti-Kerry, and there are numerous anti-Kerry comments (some of
them are quite articulate too) so all you right-wing republicans
will enjoy it too.

Something for everyone. ;-)

[smerf]

Hi,

@KennyR,

""Power? You mean like the power to keep North Vietnam out of the South? Some power. You're a lot weaker than you think.""

No, if you knew anything about the Viet Scam war, then you would know that are hands where tied by the political structure at that time. We could do this but we couldn't do that. We could take this then give it back. We could have easily won this war if we didn't have so many rules to play by.

""Because even they're not stupid enough to piss off 90% of the fastest growing religion""

They keep messing with America and they might be the fastest decreasing religion in the world. I mean look at it this way during the past year according to your comments they are smaller by 100,000 people compared to our losses of what a couple of hundred. Thats a 1000 muslin islamic maniacs to 1 patriotic blessed American.

Do I like this war, nah not really, one American death is far to many for this bunch of hoodlums. Is Rumsfield at fault for this Iraq torture thing, no not really, the people down at the lines are responsible for this. Do I feel for the Iraqi people, heck yes because even one death of an innocent Iraqi is far to much, why can't they just lay down their weapons and realize we are trying to help them switch over to freedom, their little tribe leaders want the power and are doing the fighting now. Other countries are sending in personnel to help fight the Americans, the whole thing right now is a mess.

Oh well, laying down your life for allah is like farting in the dark, you can't see any of it but it sure smells.

smerf

[Glaucus]

No, if you knew anything about the Viet Scam war, then you would know that are hands where tied by the political structure at that time. We could do this but we couldn't do that. We could take this then give it back. We could have easily won this war if we didn't have so many rules to play by.Get your stupid head out of your ass. You couldn't have won that war in a million years. In all fairness, no foreign army could have. One bit of advice: Rent or buy We Were Soldiers on DVD and watch the deleted ending scene where Col Moore briefs Gen Westmoreland and explains that despite that they won the battle and inflicted amazing losses on the enemy, the war was far from won. I can't remember the exact words, but he chose his words very well and explained the whole situation very well.

They keep messing with America and they might be the fastest decreasing religion in the world. I mean look at it this way during the past year according to your comments they are smaller by 100,000 people compared to our losses of what a couple of hundred. Thats a 1000 muslin islamic maniacs to 1 patriotic blessed American.Let me guess, your mother was a drunk crack whore while she was pregnant with you, wasn't she? You've gotta be one of the dumbest people I've ever had the misfortune of meeting!

- Mike

[Wilse]

@smerf:

I can't believe I'm responding to this but....

why can't they just lay down their weapons and realize we are trying to help them switch over to freedom

Because even a blind chimp, with impaired intellect, could tell you that 'we' are doing nothing of the sort.
'We' are killing innocent Iraqis *every day*
'We' are torturing prisoners, 60% of whom your own army says are probably innocent of any crime
'We' are destroying entire cities in response to the killing of four mercenaries
'We' are shooting at ambulances

The list goes on but if all the above were happening in your city, would you think:
"Hey, shucks, ya know, I think these guys are just trying to help us switch over to freedom"?

the whole thing right now is a mess.

It certainly is and weren't you one of the people who said, on this very site, that it would be a walk in the park?

And the so called 'best trained army in the world' haven't been taught anything about the Geneva Conventions?

You must be so very proud....
:lol:

[Karlos]

Because even a blind chimp, with impaired intellect, could tell you...

He may seem to squint a lot, what with those deep furrows in his forhead, but I have it on good authority there's nothing wrong with Dubya's eyesight.

[Wilse]

@Karlos:

There may be nothing wrong with his eyesight but that does not alter
the fact that he is completely blind.

[cecilia]

Britain's Daily Mirror dumps editor over 'fake' Iraq torture photos, apologises (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/85021/1/.html)

someone's face is red!!! :oops:

[Fade]

People with an agenda do it all the time.

Michael Moore and Al Franken are good examples, but there are sheeple that believe anything they hear as long as it matches their views.

[smerf]

Hi,

@Wilse,
@Glaucus,
@KennyR,
@Everyone else who agrees with the above gentlemen,

***'We' are killing innocent Iraqis *every day***
The truth is yes we are, innocent people are caught in the mid stream fire between the muslim islamic fanatics who insist on ambushing American troops who are sent thousands of miles from their homes to fight for the freedom for a country that wants freedom, some even laying down their lives trying to stop muslim islamic fanatics. thank you.

***e' are torturing prisoners, 60% of whom your own army says are probably innocent of any crime***

Bullcrap, bullcrap, bullcrap, (excuse my english) these muslim fanatics wouldn't be in prison if they weren't murdering thugs to start off with, America doesn't just arrest people for the fun of it, also torture, come on now, we take of their clothes and give them a little humilation, while the muslim fanatics take off American heads (i.e Nick Berg, who by the way not one of you above gentleman have mentioned this item, a little one way aren't we). This is a good one we have 150,000 troops over there, about 1% does some nasty things and you people are saying the US is a bunch of darn tortures, name me any city in the world that doesn't have at least a 5% crime rate. Even a professional military has some bad eggs in it. It is just that these bad eggs that we have give you clowns something to complain about.

***We' are destroying entire cities in response to the killing of four mercenaries***

We are not doing anything, we are trying to catch the muslim islamic murderer's, killers, psychopaths who do outragous things like this. These same people hide out in their mosques and shoot at American soldiers knowing that the soldiers are isntructed not to destroy their holy grounds. HMMM if I was in charge of the US I would make their holy ground a lot more holier by sending over a B52 bomber and hit them with a bunch of wad cutters, talk about raining down of blessing's I bet we could make the whole darn city a hell of a lott more holier.

***We' are shooting at ambulances***
bull crap, bull crap, bull crap, we only shoot at ambulances if they are shooting at our soldiers.

***weren't you one of the people who said, on this very site, that it would be a walk in the park?***

You know you are right, I at one time did say that this would be a walk in the park, and you know what it really could be if we used are weapons like they could be used, within a week or two we probably could level all of Iraq with our stuff, but really what would this really prove, that we could kill masses of people, wipe out a whole country or civilization. No, I am sorry America is better than that, we are going to fight the muslim islamic fanatics every step of the way until Iraq has the government that they the people want, not some religious muslim islamic fanatic who has nothing in his mind but his power and rule. al queda is nothing more than a bunch of murdering pigs, when we terminate osama we should grind up his body and feed it to the pigs. Maybe al sadar should also be on this list.

Have a nice day gentleman, I will patiently await your reply to this

smerf
:-)

[aardvark]

Michael Moore and Al Franken are good examples, but there are sheeple that believe anything they hear as long as it matches their views.
Yeah, they're called dittoheads and slaver over any misinformation portrayed by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

Who was it that said "There are none so blind as those who just won't see, there are none so deaf as those that just won't hear."?
Your opinions Smerf are _exactly_ what is getting America in trouble in Iran. Kerry's speech is a real deja vu, no wonder comparisons are being made with Vietnam. You can bet your boots that Colin Powell would have run the whole thing a lot differently if he was defence secretary. If the U.S. is proud to be the world's biggest schoolyard bully, don't be surprised if the rest of the world's opinions fall in line with that view.

[Glaucus]

If the U.S. is proud to be the world's biggest schoolyard bully, don't be surprised if the rest of the world's opinions fall in line with that view.Couldn't have said it better myself!

- Mike

[T_Bone]

Glaucus wrote:
If the U.S. is proud to be the world's biggest schoolyard bully, don't be surprised if the rest of the world's opinions fall in line with that view.Couldn't have said it better myself!

- Mike

Bah. Shut up and hand over your lunch money ;-)

[Wilse]

@smerf:

I've go to hand it to you mate - you are f*cking hilarious!
A walking, talking stereotype.

The truth is yes we are, innocent people are caught in the mid stream fire between the muslim islamic fanatics who insist on ambushing American troops who are sent thousands of miles from their homes to fight for the freedom for a country that wants freedom, some even laying down their lives trying to stop muslim islamic fanatics. thank you.

I'm astonished that even *you* still believe this utter pish.

Why was it we invaded a sovereign nation again?

Oh yes, it was to bring them freedom and democracy, that's right. :roll:

Yes, keep watching Fox and taking your tablets.

***e' are torturing prisoners, 60% of whom your own army says are probably innocent of any crime***

Bullcrap, bullcrap, bullcrap, (excuse my english) these muslim fanatics wouldn't be in prison if they weren't murdering thugs to start off with

Why does the Red cross say that up to 90% of them are arrested by mistake?
why does your own army admit that 60% of them are?

Bullcrap? ahem......didn't they tell you about any of this stuff on Fox? Or when they did, did you just stick your fingers in your ears and sing "Bullcrap, bullcrap.."?

America doesn't just arrest people for the fun of it, also torture, come on now, we take of their clothes and give them a little humilation,

Is that what you call being beaten to death?
Being raped?
Having a broom handle rammed up your erse?
Having dogs set on you?

Are you still sleeping? Yes, thought so.

while the muslim fanatics take off American heads (i.e Nick Berg, who by the way not one of you above gentleman have mentioned this item, a little one way aren't we).

I don't think anyone on here condones what happened to Mr. Berg - absolutely horrifying. (There's also something very odd about his death but I won't go into that here.)
However, that you would use it as gauge to show that "our" war crimes are "not as bad" as "their" war crimes shows your mentality and completely misses the point.

You remind of your knob-end senator Inhofe. I bet you are also more outraged at the outrage than you are at the torture.

And you don't really expect me to believe that the *only* people who did any of this were also the *only* people to take photographs and hand them to the media? :roll:

***We' are destroying entire cities in response to the killing of four mercenaries***

We are not doing anything,

Did I imagine the seige of Falluja?
700 dead Iraqis, hundreds of women and children?

we are trying to catch the muslim islamic murderer's, killers, psychopaths who do outragous things like this.

well 'we' made a complete @rse of it then, didn't we?
And the mercenaries were hardly innocent civilians, unlike hundreds of dead people in Falluja, so comparing the two hardly works.

HMMM if I was in charge of the US I would make their holy ground a lot more holier by sending over a B52 bomber and hit them with a bunch of wad cutters, talk about raining down of blessing's I bet we could make the whole darn city a hell of a lott more holier.

Hmmm, yes. I don't think anyone is surprised by that.
In fact, are you quite sure that you are *not* in charge of the US?

***We' are shooting at ambulances***
bull crap, bull crap, bull crap, we only shoot at ambulances if they are shooting at our soldiers

Are you telling me Jo Wilding made her story up?

You know you are right, I at one time did say that this would be a walk in the park, and you know what it really could be if we used are weapons like they could be used, within a week or two we probably could level all of Iraq with our stuff,

Yes, I thought so.

You know there is stereotypical image of the ignorant, macho American?

You absolutely personify it.

[Karlos]

@Wilse

Seriously, I think our smerf is simply trolling for kicks. It simply isn't possible to be *that* misinformed/stupid/ignorant/full-of-sh*t and survive childhood ;-)

[MAD]

Hoya!

Yes! Leveling Iraq... THAT is surely the way to go!

Doing this would open Pandora's Box...

Since a basic Islamic fundamentalist is 100 times more brainwashed than your basic Southern American redneck, this WOULD surely be the way to go... At least to trigger a NASTY WW3.

Power without control is nothing.

The problem is that some moron leaked the torture pictures for the world to see. Hey, US elections are due in a couple of months now...
But that person just did NOT think that by doing this they would trigger the fury of those retarded Islamists... More heads are, sadly, about to roll on the floor...

As for catching Uncle Osama, yeah, dream on... In a way, he is a hundred of times more protected than Georgie Wmd Bush...

Get real, the present situation in the WHOLE world is, IMHO, the nastiest we have ever seen.

Compared to it, Cold War was a joke because, come on, both blocks knew triggering a nuclear war would mean the end of Mankind.
Islamists, on the other hand, just do NOT give a damn... Dying for Allah is, like, so cool.

Be funky

M A D

[Glaucus]

Karlos wrote:
@Wilse

Seriously, I think our smerf is simply trolling for kicks. It simply isn't possible to be *that* misinformed/stupid/ignorant/full-of-sh*t and survive childhood ;-)Agreed! Notice I haven't bothered replying to his nonsense? :-)

- Mike

[Wilse]

@Karlos:

If only that were true.
I fear he is entirely genuine and a very good example of what is
wrong with our world today. ;-)

[Wilse]

Replying to myself but, what the hey....this is for smerf and
anyone else who justifies 'our' war crimes because they are not
'as bad' as 'their' war crimes:


Smurf said Quote:


while the muslim fanatics take off American heads (i.e Nick Berg, who by the way not one of you above gentleman have mentioned this item, a little one way aren't we).


I said:
I don't think anyone on here condones what happened to Mr. Berg - absolutely horrifying. (There's also something very odd about his death but I won't go into that here.)
However, that you would use it as gauge to show that "our" war crimes are "not as bad" as "their" war crimes shows your mentality and completely misses the point.

You remind of your knob-end senator Inhofe. I bet you are also more outraged at the outrage than you are at the torture.

And you don't really expect me to believe that the *only* people who
did any of this were also the *only* people to take photographs and
hand them to the
media?

I gues you'll be pleased to hear that you and Sr. Inbreed are not
alone. Peggy Noonan on the Sunday pundit show(Chris Matthews) and
she actually said with a strait face
"The Berg murder cancels out Abu Ghraib"

I've also been reading some of Rush Limbaugh's comments - dispicable.
That guy really is a hypocritical moron.

Oh yeah, and watching Faux news last night, they referred to the
resistance as the "Bad Guys", three times in ten minutes.

I mean FOR FOX SAKE!!!! "Bad Guys"??? On the 'news'??
Total misinformation and over-simplified BS.
Quite funny but scary at the same time.

No wonder half your country still thinks Saddam blew up the WTC.

Having said that, I don't know WTF my country's excuse is....:roll: