Parents, don't let your children truent.

[FluffyMcDeath]

and don't let them walk to school on their own. You have no idea what kind of trouble they'll get into...

like for e.g. (http://islamonline.net/English/News/2004-03/08/article07.shtml)

[iamaboringperson]

However, an Israeli sniper – based on a roof top – sent his killer bullet through the neck of little Mahmoud.So then, why was the d!ck-head standing around tanks, trying to throw rocks at them?

Mahmoud changed his destination to practice what grew rapidly to be his favorite habit; to hurl stones at occupation tanks and military jeeps.WHY?

If he threw a stone at my car, he would quickly find me kicking him in the head.

Why tollerate having stones thrown at your army?

"I thought he was at school at that time. I did not know he went with his mates to stand up to Israeli tanks with stones," his father told IslamOnline.net Monday, March 8.His father should have taken him to school personally, me thinks.

Mahmoud was the ninth among ten children in his family (9 sons and one daughter).Don't they learn?

I'm interested in knowing why the parents don't have more controll over their kids! :-o

[KennyR]

iamaboringperson wrote:
So then, why was the d!ck-head standing around tanks, trying to throw rocks at them?

Maybe because every so often these tanks drive in and murder lots of their parents?

If he threw a stone at my car, he would quickly find me kicking him in the head.

Why tollerate having stones thrown at your army?

That really is one of the stupidest, dumbest {bleep}ing things I have even seen you write. How much actual effect does a small stone have against 160mm of Chobham/depleted uranium armour?

You should never have kids. You'll end up cutting one of their heads off for wetting the bed. And of course, there is also the evolutionary standpoint...

[whabang]

It's allways stupid to attack a tank with nothing but rocks.
It seems to be a little exagerrated to kill the kid, though. It would seem more appropriate to at least give a warning before killing him. He wasn't any threat to the tank...

It's sad! :-(

[T_Bone]

How come we never hear of Israeli children throwing stones at the Palestinians? Are the Israeli's raising their children differently than the Palestinians are?

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:
How come we never hear of Israeli children throwing stones at the Palestinians? Are the Israeli's raising their children differently than the Palestinians are?
The Israeli children don't throw stones at palestinians because:

a) Palestinians don't drive tanks into Israel.
b) Israeli children are trained to throw bullets and missiles at Palestinians.

[T_Bone]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
How come we never hear of Israeli children throwing stones at the Palestinians? Are the Israeli's raising their children differently than the Palestinians are?
The Israeli children don't throw stones at palestinians because:

a) Palestinians don't drive tanks into Israel.

Not tanks, but suicide bombers. Obviously more scary. (especially considering Palestinian children don't seem afraid of the tanks)

b) Israeli children are trained to throw bullets and missiles at Palestinians.


:roll:

Seriously.
Why are Israeli children not acting in a similar way to the Palestinians?

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:

FluffyMcDeath wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
How come we never hear of Israeli children throwing stones at the Palestinians? Are the Israeli's raising their children differently than the Palestinians are?
The Israeli children don't throw stones at palestinians because:

a) Palestinians don't drive tanks into Israel.

Not tanks, but suicide bombers. Obviously more scary. (especially considering Palestinian children don't seem afraid of the tanks)

Israeli tanks, missiles and bullets have killed more palestianian civilians than Palestinian suicide bombers have killed Israelis. Also, consider the next time that you hear of a bus being blown up the fact that the busses are the main way the Israeli military moves around. Buses can be packed more than 50% with soldiers, that is why they get targeted. Suicide bombers tend to target the IDF. When soldiers die in Israel they are often reported as civilians
(since all civilians must serve) kind of like mercinaries in Iraq are reported as civilians when they are killed.

b) Israeli children are trained to throw bullets and missiles at Palestinians.


:roll:

Seriously.
Why are Israeli children not acting in a similar way to the Palestinians?

I AM being serious. Isrtaeli children CANNOT act as Palestinian children because Israel is not occupied by Palestinian military forces. The Israeli children cannot throw rocks at occupying tanks because there ARE no occupying tanks. Instead, the Israeli children grow up on a diet of hatred of Palestinians (a class of goyim only a little bit worse than the rest of us), go into the army and then get sent to shoot at Palestinian children and their parents.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:
Not tanks, but suicide bombers. Obviously more scary.:roll: You do not seem to know what they do with that long pipe on the front of a tank.
Well, out of that pipe comes a big bullet, filled with explosives, on a high velocity aimed at humans. If you are the particular human standing in the way of the bullet, you'd be lucky to be blown to pieces. If you're not so lucky, you'll be mortally wounded.

Mortally wounded means that you continuously suffer unavoidable and unbearable pain. You can't be asleep, you can't be awake.

Besides that pipe and the bullet, a tank can also drive over the human standing in their way, and if he/she's lucky he/she'd been crushed to pulp. That crushing is alike this: The the body pressure becomes too high and the skull shatters open and the brains come out. Quite a quick death. And the people who loved that person cannot identify him/her. They can never let it rest, because they could not part properly.

If the person isn't lucky, the person becomes half crushed. For instance: the tank crushes his/her back (where the majority of nerves are, so he/she'll experience the most extreme pain in existance) and his/her intestine (while he/she's vomiting blood and excreta and so)
crushes his/her genitals, and crushes the bones to slivers.

not really an innocent toy I'd say.

[iamaboringperson]

LOL@kenny's comment

--edit:

I didn't expect that

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
Not tanks, but suicide bombers. Obviously more scary.:roll: You do not seem to know what they do with that long pipe on the front of a tank.

I don't care what they do with it, if children are throwing rocks at it, it obviously isn't as scary as a suicide bomber. Kids will get into mischief, but you typically don't see them provoking something they fear for their lives from. Don't you wonder why?

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:

I don't care what they do with it, if children are throwing rocks at it, it obviously isn't as scary as a suicide bomber. Kids will get into mischief, but you typically don't see them provoking something they fear for their lives from. Don't you wonder why?
Oh T_Bone, I can't tell if you are being lazy or just playing devil's advocate.

When you see a suicide bomber you cannot tell whether they are a suicide bomber. Ergo when you see someone who is not a suicide bomber you also cannot tell whether they are a suicide bomber. Therefore you cannot reasonably throw stones at suicide bombers, but you can become paranoid that everyone darker than you is a suicide bomber, even though the chances that they are a bomber are incredibly small.

But more importantly, in the case of the tank, the tank when in action is a deadly and terrifying vehicle. Tanks when not in action are stationed around occupied areas to remind people who is in charge. In this role, the tank is still potentially dangerous (it is an implied threat) but most importantly it is a symbol of occupation. The throwing of the stone at the tank is a symbol of defiance. It is for defiance that this boy was shot, not for any possible damage he could do to the tank. He was shot for refusing to acquiesce to Israeli domination.

It is difficult to compare the relative scariness of a tank versus a suicide bomber but it is much easier to know when you are looking at a tank than a suicide bomber and therefore it is much easier to throw a rock at a tank than at a suicide bomber.

[iamaboringperson]

But more importantly, in the case of the tank, the tank when in action is a deadly and terrifying vehicle.But obviously not terrifying enough to get out of the way.

[Glaucus]

T_Bone wrote:
How come we never hear of Israeli children throwing stones at the Palestinians? Are the Israeli's raising their children differently than the Palestinians are?Perhaps if the Palestinian military was enforcing curfews in Tel Aviv you'd see these sort of actions comming from the Israeli kids as well. Kids throwing stones at an occupying army is a sign of defiance, and dates back at least to the Roman Empire days. This is not strictly a Palestinian or Arab thing, and stone throwing has been seen in modern, Western countries (including the US) during protests and rallies. At worst, the police in a Western country my engage the rioters with tear gas and perhaps rubber bullets, but in Israel they use snipers and tank fire to suppress this same type of defiance. How the Palestinians raise their children isn't the question one should be asking, instead, it's why do the Israelies use tactics that are so much harsher then what is considered the norm in Western civilized nations like ours?

- Mike

[Glaucus]

whabang wrote:
It's allways stupid to attack a tank with nothing but rocks.To launch an attack against a modern main battle tank with nothing but stones is completely stupid, of course it is. However, to classify the action of a kid throwing a stone at a tank as a legitimate attack is stretching the meaning well out of shape. As far as I know, tanks don't have high-tech sensors to detect when they've been targeted for stone throwing like they do with laser guided missiles. No threat warning light goes off on the tank commander's console when a rock bounces off it's thick frontal armor - in fact the tank crew inside may not even hear it. With this logic we might as well consider a mosquito bite an attack on your person!

- Mike

[Glaucus]

iamaboringperson wrote:
But more importantly, in the case of the tank, the tank when in action is a deadly and terrifying vehicle.But obviously not terrifying enough to get out of the way.Spoken like a true authoritarian. For you, it's not a matter of what's right or wrong, you just want to see that might is right, and you want to see the opposition submit to your will. For you that's all it's about. You're pathetic.

- Mike

[iamaboringperson]

You should never have kids. You'll end up cutting one of their heads off for wetting the bed. And of course, there is also the evolutionary standpoint...

...

You're pathetic.
LOL at both your comments! :-]

[FluffyMcDeath]

iamaboringperson wrote:
You should never have kids. You'll end up cutting one of their heads off for wetting the bed. And of course, there is also the evolutionary standpoint...

...

You're pathetic.
LOL at both your comments! :-]

Are you absolutely dead serious that you believe it is right to shoot a kid dead for throwing a stone at army equipment? Do you think it is OK to kill children for other misdemeanors too?

[FluffyMcDeath]

iamaboringperson wrote:
But more importantly, in the case of the tank, the tank when in action is a deadly and terrifying vehicle.But obviously not terrifying enough to get out of the way.

Read before you write.

[whabang]

Glaucus,

Did you even read my post?
I said, that the kid wasn't any threat to the tank.

[whabang]

>>>double post<<<

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
Not tanks, but suicide bombers. Obviously more scary.:roll: You do not seem to know what they do with that long pipe on the front of a tank.

I don't care what they do with it, if children are throwing rocks at it, it obviously isn't as scary as a suicide bomber. Kids will get into mischief, but you typically don't see them provoking something they fear for their lives from. Don't you wonder why?They're friggin' kids!
You continuously say that if an agressor will have a hard time taking over your country because of weapon legalization. Since the 6 day war Israel is OBVIOUSLY the agressor. And these palastinians boys only have rocks. Plus do you really think you can make any chance with a handgun vs. tank? That'd be quite the same as they do now.

and last but not least, a tank vs. rock throwing kid, now that's the most noble thing to do in the world.

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

T_Bone wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:


T_Bone wrote:
Not tanks, but suicide bombers. Obviously more scary.:roll: You do not seem to know what they do with that long pipe on the front of a tank.

I don't care what they do with it, if children are throwing rocks at it, it obviously isn't as scary as a suicide bomber. Kids will get into mischief, but you typically don't see them provoking something they fear for their lives from. Don't you wonder why?They're friggin' kids!

Sure they are, but why are they throwing rocks at tanks? We hear news stories about bad things happening to these children all the time, you'd think parents would tell them not to go near these dangerous people, in the same way we tell our children not to talk to strangers, to run from someone who offers you candy, to stay away from adults hanging around playgrounds, etc.

You continuously say that if an agressor will have a hard time taking over your country because of weapon legalization. Since the 6 day war Israel is OBVIOUSLY the agressor. And these palastinians boys only have rocks.

How do you tie this in with Gun Control?? When have I advocated using children to defend against an army, or even one's home? Don't you think that would be dumb?

Plus do you really think you can make any chance with a handgun vs. tank? That'd be quite the same as they do now.

We're talking about *children* here, you seriously advocate children soldiers? If you lived there, would you encourage your children do the same?

and last but not least, a tank vs. rock throwing kid, now that's the most noble thing to do in the world.

Not to mention stupid. The sniper, and the negligent parents of these children, should be relieved of duty.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:
The sniper, and the negligent parents of these children, should be relieved of duty.
The sniper and those who commanded him/her to shoot with real bullets should be prosecuted for murdering children.
only those adults (can be parents) who encourage these kids to do what they do should be prosecuted too, for encouraging of violence.
But you can't expect parents to lock their kids op in their homes can you?

[Glaucus]

whabang wrote:
Glaucus,

Did you even read my post?
I said, that the kid wasn't any threat to the tank.No, I wasn't arguing with you, I was merely re-enforcing your own statement. :-)

- Mike

[Glaucus]

Sure they are, but why are they throwing rocks at tanks?Now this is new, a pro-gun, tough on crime Republican blaming the victim for a change! :roll:

- Mike

[whabang]

Not to mention stupid. The sniper, and the negligent parents of these children, should be relieved of duty.
Aye!

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:

The sniper, and the negligent parents of these children, should be relieved of duty.


Yeah, that's the ticket. The next time some child killer tops someones little boy or girl they can share the same cell on death row with the parents.

The throwing of the stone is no reasonable grounds for execution. The sniper is a murderer.

Now, tell me T_Bone, what was this kid (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1077923412783&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724) doing that was so bad?
Waving goodbye to a UN delegation. Yes, very evil, right? And the only reason the officer was suspended was because he was dumb enough to shoot the kid infront of international witnesses. That's why the IDF hates international witnesses:

Tom Hurndall (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/12/31/international1523EST0589.DTL)
Tom Hurndalls parents (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=403582) (Shot at but not hit)
Rachel Corrie (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/)
Brian Avery (http://electronicintifada.net/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/7/1336)
Other ISM volunteers (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01AA7ECA-7018-447B-A10D-9E4139D4788A.htm)
James Miller (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3010767.stm)
UN aid workers (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=467924)
And what about these children (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1007051,00.html)?
And how about these? (http://www.obv.org.uk/reports/2002/rpt20021002a.html)
But these kids were killed by accident when the Israelis broke a ceasefire. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,616831,00.html)
In fact, if you want to enter Gaza the Israeli Army wants you to sign a waver (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/09/1052280441486.html) that states that you are not a peace activist and that if they shoot you you won't complain.

[sir_inferno]

T_Bone wrote:
How come we never hear of Israeli children throwing stones at the Palestinians? Are the Israeli's raising their children differently than the Palestinians are?

no, it's just they've got the support of americans, which is why the news never goes public.

[Cyberus]

sir_inferno wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
How come we never hear of Israeli children throwing stones at the Palestinians? Are the Israeli's raising their children differently than the Palestinians are?

no, it's just they've got the support of americans, which is why the news never goes public.

:-? I think you may have missed the point...?

[iamaboringperson]

Are you absolutely dead serious that you believe it is right to shoot a kid dead for throwing a stone at army equipment? Do you think it is OK to kill children for other misdemeanors too?
I haven't said it's right.

I'm saying that the kid was wrong. He's wrong because it's dangerous to be playing around with the other guys tanks when there are guys with rifles standing around.

It's kind of like crossing the road without looking both ways first. That would be the wrong way to go about it.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

iamaboringperson wrote:
Are you absolutely dead serious that you believe it is right to shoot a kid dead for throwing a stone at army equipment? Do you think it is OK to kill children for other misdemeanors too?
I haven't said it's right.

I'm saying that the kid was wrong. He's wrong because it's dangerous to be playing around with the other guys tanks when there are guys with rifles standing around.

It's kind of like crossing the road without looking both ways first. That would be the wrong way to go about it.:roll:
but those tanks are there, not behind fences on a guarded military place, but in the middle of the kids' playground.

[T_Bone]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

iamaboringperson wrote:
Are you absolutely dead serious that you believe it is right to shoot a kid dead for throwing a stone at army equipment? Do you think it is OK to kill children for other misdemeanors too?
I haven't said it's right.

I'm saying that the kid was wrong. He's wrong because it's dangerous to be playing around with the other guys tanks when there are guys with rifles standing around.

It's kind of like crossing the road without looking both ways first. That would be the wrong way to go about it.:roll:
but those tanks are there, not behind fences on a guarded military place, but in the middle of the kids' playground.

So are the ocassional perverts and drug pushers, but we typically warn our children to stay away from them for their own safety.

[Glaucus]

So are the ocassional perverts and drug pushers, but we typically warn our children to stay away from them for their own safety.Then your losing war on drugs says much about America's style of parenting!

I wonder what convinced you that Palestinian mothers and fathers don't warn their children of the same things you'd warn your children of? The only possible explanation I can come up with is racism. Indeed, I'm sure the white supremists thought the same sort of thing about young black activists during the 50's and 60's in your country.

- Mike

[iamaboringperson]

So are the ocassional perverts and drug pushers, but we typically warn our children to stay away from them for their own safety.
Which is SMART. And, I wouldn't care for any parent who didn't do that.

[iamaboringperson]

I wonder what convinced you that Palestinian mothers and fathers don't warn their children of the same things you'd warn your children of? The only possible explanation I can come up with is racism. Indeed, I'm sure the white supremists thought the same sort of thing about young black activists during the 50's and 60's in your country.
WTF?

[Glaucus]

iamaboringperson wrote:
I wonder what convinced you that Palestinian mothers and fathers don't warn their children of the same things you'd warn your children of? The only possible explanation I can come up with is racism. Indeed, I'm sure the white supremists thought the same sort of thing about young black activists during the 50's and 60's in your country.
WTF?Is it that hard for you to understand that Palestinians love their children just as much as Americans love their children, and that they most certainly warn their children against going anywhere near Israeli tanks? T_Bone's argument is based on a (false) assumption.

- Mike

[iamaboringperson]

Obviously this isn't the first time this has happened. I'm off to look at the dawin awards to see if the story is there.

[iamaboringperson]

Is it that hard for you to understand that Palestinians love their children just as much as Americans love their children, and that they most certainly warn their children against going anywhere near Israeli tanks?...T_Bone's argument is based on a (false) assumption.
Oh? So what's yours based on?

[T_Bone]

Glaucus wrote:

iamaboringperson wrote:
I wonder what convinced you that Palestinian mothers and fathers don't warn their children of the same things you'd warn your children of? The only possible explanation I can come up with is racism. Indeed, I'm sure the white supremists thought the same sort of thing about young black activists during the 50's and 60's in your country.
WTF?Is it that hard for you to understand that Palestinians love their children just as much as Americans love their children, and that they most certainly warn their children against going anywhere near Israeli tanks? T_Bone's argument is based on a (false) assumption.

- Mike

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp441.htm

I'm assuming nothing. Many parents encourage this, and the ones that don't are scorned by the local papers, although I wouldn't hold my breath you'd find it in the english translations of arab news.