Coming up on 600.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Not that anyone's counting.

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.gif

[Wolfe]

Would have been much easier to just drop in small pox.

[Fade]

Gosh, this is getting up almost to the level of the whole Canadian army.

[T_Bone]

it's getting almost as dangerous as Los Angeles

[FluffyMcDeath]

Wolfe wrote:
Would have been much easier to just drop in small pox.

Sure would encourage people to get vaccinated too (and good for business if you manufacture vaccine).

[FluffyMcDeath]

Fade wrote:
Gosh, this is gitting up almost to the level of the whole Canadian army.

Yes, and at a bargain price too. Only $600 for each and every man, woman and child in the US.

[FluffyMcDeath]

T_Bone wrote:
it's getting almost as dangerous as Los Angeles

You might be right there, though I couldn't find stats for LA.

However, the CDC figures that in 2001 there were 15,440 violent deaths in the state of California. That includes homicides, suicides and falling off ladders, crashing cars, etc.

The population of California is about 34,500,000 for a violent death rate of about 45 per 100,000 so the deathrate of US forces in Iraq is only an order of magnitude bigger.

This is often attributed to the good medical care and use of body armour saving the lives of soldiers that would have otherwise died.

Of course, this leads to a higher injury rate than would have been otherwise. 12,000 or so invalided out so far.

[Glaucus]

@Fluffy,

I'm surprised Tigger hasn't criticized your graph yet! ;-)

- Mike

[Wilse]

Now 600.

[KennyR]

Maybe Bush sees it the same way Nixon did: that every dead soldier is one less low-income worker and potential criminal. Good way to get rid of that annoying uneducated labourer class.

[T_Bone]

KennyR wrote:
Maybe Bush sees it the same way Nixon did: that every dead soldier is one less low-income worker and potential criminal. Good way to get rid of that annoying uneducated labourer class.

Right now, the uneducated labor class are doing ok, it's the overeducated that can't find jobs they've overzealously prepared for that's depressing this country. the uneducated have jobs, the overeducated are being forced to consider jobs they're overqualified for.

Education is a multibillion$ industry, and it seems they've been overselling themselves.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:

KennyR wrote:
Maybe Bush sees it the same way Nixon did: that every dead soldier is one less low-income worker and potential criminal. Good way to get rid of that annoying uneducated labourer class.

Right now, the uneducated labor class are doing ok, it's the overeducated that can't find jobs they've overzealously prepared for that's depressing this country. the uneducated have jobs, the overeducated are being forced to consider jobs they're overqualified for.

Education is a multibillion$ industry, and it seems they've been overselling themselves.Quite right, but it also matters what kind of profession you're overeducated for. Take for instance, psychology :-(

[KennyR]

T_Bone wrote:
Right now, the uneducated labor class are doing ok, it's the overeducated that can't find jobs they've overzealously prepared for that's depressing this country. the uneducated have jobs, the overeducated are being forced to consider jobs they're overqualified for.

Education is a multibillion$ industry, and it seems they've been overselling themselves.

Maybe so, but you can't doubt the positive effect having so many educated people has on society. Education cuts through prejudice, nationalism and militarism like a knife, and results in a people far harder to brainwash.

[T_Bone]

KennyR wrote:
T_Bone wrote:
Right now, the uneducated labor class are doing ok, it's the overeducated that can't find jobs they've overzealously prepared for that's depressing this country. the uneducated have jobs, the overeducated are being forced to consider jobs they're overqualified for.

Education is a multibillion$ industry, and it seems they've been overselling themselves.

Maybe so, but you can't doubt the positive effect having so many educated people has on society. Education cuts through prejudice, nationalism and militarism like a knife, and results in a people far harder to brainwash.

But if it does, it does so at the persons own financial expense, usually equivalent to the price of a suburban two-bedroom home. Surely this aspect of education could be attained at the high school level?

People are spending too much on education. We have an education system that is no longer focused on reality, or the world that exists once the student leaves the halls.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

T_Bone wrote:
Education is a multibillion$ industry, and it seems they've been overselling themselves.Yup, let those kids stand in the 'Coca-Cola' formation for the school photo.

[FluffyMcDeath]

With roughly 600 dead, and 12,000 invalided out, I was wondering why the number of invalids was so much higher than the number of wounded.

Well, I guess there could be psychological problems. There could also be injuries that don't count as wounds. Then there is another reason here.

Some of these soldiers were not fit to go when they went.

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,SS_032504_Pentagon,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl

[FluffyMcDeath]

FluffyMcDeath wrote:
With roughly 600 dead, and 12,000 invalided out, I was wondering why the number of invalids was so much higher than the number of wounded.


Update on medivacs.

18,000 evacuations, but for 11,700 patients.

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040330-051545-6818r.htm

[KennyR]

About Fluffy's link, here...

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,SS_032504_Pentagon,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl

Of course it was slapdash of the Pentagon to throw Reservists into combat like that, but what I want to know is, why are men unfit for combat joining the reservists anyway??

I mean, by the sound of it, many have some quite debilitating medical problems. Actually, to put it bluntly, they're a bunch of old farts. If I had this lot coming against me I'd throw some Preparation H at them to distract them.

Who in their RIGHT MIND would want to join the armed services if they weren't fit??!? They KNOW they might be sent into combat. They KNOW they're being fed by the taxpayer as an army, not as a gun range and handouts queue. So why do they still insist in doing it?

[Glaucus]

Ramadi car bomb blast kills six Iraqis (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6D0CB289-DB59-443A-BD43-A92543772767.htm)
Thursday 01 April 2004, 23:04 Makka Time, 20:04 GMT

After reading the above article I can not help but wonder what's worse: Dealing with terrorists or fighting them on their own turf AND LOSING! The royal ass kicking the US army is now getting by a bunch of peasants with RPGs in Iraq certainly can't help their war on terror effort! If anything, if I was a terrorist I'd be saying "Bring 'em on!"

- Mike

[FluffyMcDeath]

Wow. Can you believe I started this thread less then a month ago!!

[whabang]

Brilliant! (http://www.michaelmoore.com/index_hires.php)

[blobrana]

@fluffy
<quote> I was wondering why the number of invalids was so much higher than the number of wounded.

I guess there could be psychological problems. There could also be injuries that don't count as wounds. Then there is another reason here.</quote>

Yea, and those that were not wounded `directly` in `combat`...
If you stood on a land-mine or had a car-crash they arn`t counted `officially`...to keep the numbers low...
Similar to what happened during the Vietnam war....
The casualties are even treated by the same hospital.

[Anyway i don`t think there will be any Spanish casualties anymore]

[Wilse]

@Whabang:

Brilliant!

Yup. Couldn't agee more.

[Wilse]

@Fluffy:

Can you believe I started this thread less then a month ago!!

What's that Radiohead song again.....Karma Police?

Yeah, that's it:
"This is what you get, if you fµck with us..."

[Wolfe]

KennyR wrote:
Maybe Bush sees it the same way Nixon did: that every dead soldier is one less low-income worker and potential criminal. Good way to get rid of that annoying uneducated labourer class.

Thats not true . . . If it was you would be on point. . . :-D

[Wolfe]

Glaucus wrote:
Ramadi car bomb blast kills six Iraqis (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6D0CB289-DB59-443A-BD43-A92543772767.htm)
Thursday 01 April 2004, 23:04 Makka Time, 20:04 GMT

After reading the above article I can not help but wonder what's worse: Dealing with terrorists or fighting them on their own turf AND LOSING! The royal ass kicking the US army is now getting by a bunch of peasants with RPGs in Iraq certainly can't help their war on terror effort! If anything, if I was a terrorist I'd be saying "Bring 'em on!"

- Mike

But, we are not loosing, they are. We are still there. Only in your dreams are we loosing. . . :-D

[Wilse]

But, we are not loosing, they are. We are still there. Only in your dreams are we loosing. . .

Thought as much; you really *do* see this as an 'us v them', football match type scenario, don't you.

dear, oh dear...

Anyway 'we' have already lost, I'm afraid.

And it's getting late. I'm off downstairs for another beer and a little look at what 'Fox News' (:lol:) has in store for the terrified herd of sheeple tonight.

Lemme guess what I'll see first: A big 'War on Terror' logo, followed by a story about Iraq? :roflmao:
F*cking hilarious! :lol: 'News'! :lol:

[T_Bone]

Wolfe wrote:

Glaucus wrote:
Ramadi car bomb blast kills six Iraqis (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6D0CB289-DB59-443A-BD43-A92543772767.htm)
Thursday 01 April 2004, 23:04 Makka Time, 20:04 GMT

After reading the above article I can not help but wonder what's worse: Dealing with terrorists or fighting them on their own turf AND LOSING! The royal ass kicking the US army is now getting by a bunch of peasants with RPGs in Iraq certainly can't help their war on terror effort! If anything, if I was a terrorist I'd be saying "Bring 'em on!"

- Mike

But, we are not loosing, they are. We are still there. Only in your dreams are we loosing. . . :-D

Some people think that "winning" means doing what the terrorists want you to do, ie: Spain.

[KennyR]

T_Bone wrote:
Some people think that "winning" means doing what the terrorists want you to do, ie: Spain.

Spain has converted to Islam and followed Sharia? First I knew. And I just thought they kicked out people who got them killed for nothing.

[Wilse]

@Kenny:

Precisely.

If only the people of this country were wise enough to follow suit.

[Wolfe]

Wilse wrote:
But, we are not loosing, they are. We are still there. Only in your dreams are we loosing. . .

Thought as much; you really *do* see this as an 'us v them', football match type scenario, don't you.

It is US vs THEM ie... US vs Terrorists and the NATIONS that sponsor THEM.

[Glaucus]

It is US vs THEM ie... US vs Terrorists and the NATIONS that sponsor THEM.Just like there's Israelies and Palestinians. At this rate, they'll be killing each other for another hundered years or more. You wanna lock yourself into a never ending blood bath?!? Well that's exactly the road you're going down, and to be honest, I really wouldn't give a {bleep} if the American concenrvatives and Islamic conservatives got together and killed each other. The rest of us could watch and laugh. But that's not how it works unfortunately as we end up getting caught up in your cross fire.

The truth is that if it wasn't for your stupid president and his stupid war, supported by stupid people such as yourself and a few others I won't bother mentioning, then those 200 people in Spain would still be alive today, as well as thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of your own troops. That blood too is partially on your hands. I certainly don't want to see more innocent people dieing for your stupidity.

- Mike

[Wolfe]

Glaucus wrote:
It is US vs THEM ie... US vs Terrorists and the NATIONS that sponsor THEM.Just like there's Israelies and Palestinians. At this rate, they'll be killing each other for another hundered years or more. You wanna lock yourself into a never ending blood bath?!? Well that's exactly the road you're going down, and to be honest, I really wouldn't give a {bleep} if the American concenrvatives and Islamic conservatives got together and killed each other. The rest of us could watch and laugh. But that's not how it works unfortunately as we end up getting caught up in your cross fire.

The truth is that if it wasn't for your stupid president and his stupid war, supported by stupid people such as yourself and a few others I won't bother mentioning, then those 200 people in Spain would still be alive today, as well as thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of your own troops. That blood too is partially on your hands. I certainly don't want to see more innocent people dieing for your stupidity.

- Mike

You must not be talking to me. I'm not a conservative! I support neither Left or Right wingers. I am of free thought and vote for what I feel is best. If I were in charge there would be no invasion of Iraq, but we are there now, aren't we. Because if I were in charge and was forced to go to war there would be no gloves.

Since we are there we need to finish it. As far as the war is concerned, It will end, as soon as the gloves come off. Fighting wars in a politically correct fashion is what will keep the war going. War is hell.

I did not attack any civilian muslims. They attacked US citizens. What goes around comes around.

Its easy for you to sit there and point a finger and call people names. Why don't you get off your sorry Arse and do something about it other than wagging your infamitory BS. Find a way to use that narrow minded brain of yours please. . . .

[Glaucus]

Gloves? What do you think dropping 2000 pound bombs in a residential area is? You really do want to MOAB them don't you. You're advocating the same tactics the Nazi's used; Kill one of our troops and we'll randomly kill 1000 your people. That worked real well, NOT. Even with those brutal tactics resistance against the Nazis continued. Brutality isn't gonna make the Iraqis cooperate with you, but that's not what you want is it? You just want them to bow down. You're an authoritarian, and you want to break their will and make them submit to your authority. Well guess what wolfe, that will never happen, and the harder you try the more they will resist. I have no reason to be nice to you Wolfe, you're as bad as those who support the terrorists.

- Mike

[Wolfe]

Glaucus wrote:
Gloves? What do you think dropping 2000 pound bombs in a residential area is? You really do want to MOAB them don't you. You're advocating the same tactics the Nazi's used; Kill one of our troops and we'll randomly kill 1000 your people. That worked real well, NOT. Even with those brutal tactics resistance against the Nazis continued. Brutality isn't gonna make the Iraqis cooperate with you, but that's not what you want is it? You just want them to bow down. You're an authoritarian, and you want to break their will and make them submit to your authority. Well guess what wolfe, that will never happen, and the harder you try the more they will resist. I have no reason to be nice to you Wolfe, you're as bad as those who support the terrorists.

- Mike

During WW II you pummeled your enemy. Now, PC warfare you beat them up, they lick there wounds and then come back attacking because they still want to fight. The goal of a winning strategy is to make your enemy not want to fight anymore. Authoritarian, well if thats what it takes to get the job done, fine. The master "Authoritarian" Darth Vader is one of my H E R O E S. :-D [/quote]


I have no reason to be nice to you Wolfe, you're as bad as those who support the terrorists.[/quote]

If you were nice to me . . I think I would have something to worry about. :lol:
Pity, it breaks my heart, but it shows i'm needed as you need someone to hate and blame for your inadequacies. Maybe if you stopped drinking so much, got some viagra and a personality you might be able to get some pretty feline to take an interest in you. Then maybe you would not be so negative and unhappy. :-D

Now even the terrorists are killing there own. Oh, that doen't matter because you are a terrorist sympathizer, A real {bleep}.

[KennyR]

Wolfe wrote:
You must not be talking to me. I'm not a conservative! I support neither Left or Right wingers.

Though strangely enough, what you write is conservative and right wing. Coincidence?

[Glaucus]

During WW II you pummeled your enemy. Now, PC warfare you beat them up, they lick there wounds and then come back attacking because they still want to fight.Not quite. I wouldn't call this PC warfare at all. And in fact, the war is over. What we're talking about here is a text book case of occupation and oppression, no different then what the Germans did in France and Poland (minus the death camps, but we still have guantanamo) or what the Romans did to Europe or what the Persians did to the Middle East, etc. It's nice to see you still live of past glories, but war crimes like the bombing of Dresden had a much less impact on the outcome of the war then you'd like to think. It would also be rather counter productive in this case as you're supposed to be liberators, not mass murderers. Blowing up Falluja and Najaf (the Shia's vatican) is guaranteed to turn those who may have sympathised with your cause against you. But it seems you're just not quite swift enough to figure this one out!

Pity, it breaks my heart, but it shows i'm needed as you need someone to hate and blame for your inadequacies.Save it, you're as bad at psychology as you are at sociology & anthropology.

- Mike

[Wolfe]

KennyR wrote:
Wolfe wrote:
You must not be talking to me. I'm not a conservative! I support neither Left or Right wingers.

Though strangely enough, what you write is conservative and right wing. Coincidence?

To you maybe, but to me its practical. You seem to think you can be only one (L) or the other (C) but I don't, I'm just right and you are wrong. :lol: