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KennyR
03-04-2004, 10:09 PM
1776: The Declaration of Independence is signed by the Founding Fathers. Blessed with amazing foresight, the laws they set down there have prevented the US from falling into despotism for almost 300 years. It even goes to the length of arming the people so that the government can never become too powerful against them.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

2004: The same country are now striving for a military plan called "Full Spectrum Dominance". This involves increasing American military strength with superior technology, mini-nukes, stealth planes, unmanned missile drones, and a host of other high tech advancements in the field of Killing Other People (TM) that they are spending 200 billion dollars on every year - even with no declared enemy and no other superpower to threaten them. This so that no enemy can ever threaten them again. Ever.

Now is that ironic, or what?

Now my question is this... if Americans believe that their democratically elected government cannot be trusted to wield so much power over them, what makes them think that they, as an unelected body shown by history to be fully capable of war crimes and use of WMDs, can be trusted to wield such power that Full Spectrum Dominance gives over the rest of the world?
iamaboringperson
03-04-2004, 10:36 PM
Now my question is this... if Americans believe that their democratically elected government cannot be trusted to wield so much power over them, what makes them think that they, as an unelected body shown by history to be fully capable of war crimes and use of WMDs, can be trusted to wield such power that Full Spectrum Dominance gives over the rest of the world?Kenny, I must first ask you this: when will you for once cut it with this collectivist attitude of yours and start treating people as individuals rather than a collective.

(Or does 'Americans' refer to the government?)
Fade
03-04-2004, 11:00 PM
It's answer is easy Kenny, there're others out there with a mindset like yours, that can't be trusted.
iamaboringperson
03-04-2004, 11:04 PM
Fade wrote:
It's answer is easy Kenny, there're others out there with a mindset like yours, that can't be trusted.:-) Yep,
'KennyR' for president! Could you imagine that? :-P
Glaucus
03-04-2004, 11:47 PM
This involves increasing American military strength with superior technology, mini-nukes, stealth planes, unmanned missile drones, and a host of other high tech advancements in the field of Killing Other People (TM) that they are spending 200 billion dollars on every year - even with no declared enemy and no other superpower to threaten them. This so that no enemy can ever threaten them again. Ever.Hey, this is great! The US has gotten into an arms race against itself! With any luck the US will pull a USSR and erase itself from existance! I'll drink to that! :pint:

- Mike
Fade
03-04-2004, 11:54 PM
Go out in a flash huh.

Well it might be better than going out slowly by some two-bit country with a dirty bomb.

What's that old saying, "Better dead than Red", or even pink.
whabang
03-05-2004, 04:35 AM
I think that Fade has read my sig too many times! :lol:
MAD
03-05-2004, 06:36 AM
Hoya!

Hum.... I believe the problem is that America wants to get the best weaponry to protect itself... The only trouble is; its enemies are NOT armies but ideas blinding individuals.
We all know the us is the most powerful country in the world but, as every martial art teacher will tell you, "power is nothing without control".
In other words, drop your guns and try diplomacy. You will not be able to kill people who are not afraid of dying but you can try doing something BEFORE they get endoctrinated.
Voila! :-)

Be funky

M A D
whabang
03-05-2004, 06:46 AM
@MAD
SHHH! Someone might listen! :-)
cecilia
03-05-2004, 07:16 AM
http://www.bant-shirts.com/images/nonph/STOP-BUSH-195.gif

http://www.bant-shirts.com/images/nonph/STOP-BUSH-195.gif
KennyR
03-05-2004, 07:23 AM
Kenny, I must first ask you this: when will you for once cut it with this collectivist attitude of yours and start treating people as individuals rather than a collective.

(Or does 'Americans' refer to the government?)

The government. Even if Americans do vote for their government, they still have no real power over what it does. In fact, most of the time they're not even aware of what it does. Of course, many of them still agree. Nations are collectives, whether you like it or not.

@Fade

Get your priorities straight. The biggest threat to world peace isn't people who think, it's a country with a huge military that thinks its superior to everyone else and so above their laws. Power corrupts. And of course, the safer you are from attacks, the less principled you are about enforcing your will on others. That's what the Founding Fathers knew. Why don't you listen to your own constitution when it comes to foreign politics?
whabang
03-05-2004, 07:24 AM
http://www.politicalpanties.com/shave%20bush%20protest2.jpg
MAD
03-05-2004, 08:29 AM
Hoya!

@whabang

Argh! Too late... ;-)

Be funky

M A D
T_Bone
03-05-2004, 09:15 AM
whabang wrote:
http://www.politicalpanties.com/shave%20bush%20protest2.jpg

Woa! *cough* Someone's found my political soft spot! :lol: Who do they think I should vote for?
whabang
03-05-2004, 09:46 AM
Well, let's see. Isn't there any female candidates? :-P
T_Bone
03-05-2004, 10:48 AM
whabang wrote:
Well, let's see. Isn't there any female candidates? :-P

Well the republicans may run a woman next election :-)
cecilia
03-05-2004, 12:04 PM
good one whabang!
I can get behind that!!!!
:banana:
Glaucus
03-05-2004, 01:15 PM
T_Bone wrote:

whabang wrote:
Well, let's see. Isn't there any female candidates? :-P

Well the republicans may run a woman next election :-) Who? Rice?!?

- Mike
KennyR
03-05-2004, 01:31 PM
As long as it isn't Coulter...
T_Bone
03-05-2004, 01:43 PM
KennyR wrote:
As long as it isn't Coulter...
:lol:
cecilia
03-05-2004, 01:53 PM
KennyR wrote:
As long as it isn't Coulter...i may be forced to VOMIT!!!! :evil:
graffias79
03-05-2004, 08:09 PM
cecilia wrote:

KennyR wrote:
As long as it isn't Coulter...i may be forced to VOMIT!!!! :evil:

I guess it could be Dr. Laura hahaha!
graffias79
03-05-2004, 08:29 PM
graffias79 wrote:

I guess it could be Dr. Laura hahaha!

nasty, nasty woman!

I don't remember who said it, but I agree fully with them. I look back to the 1990s and miss President Clinton. At least the economy was working correctly and a lot of other $hit wasnt as screwed up as it is now. But thats just one person's opinion.
aardvark
03-05-2004, 11:22 PM
I think the last really good Republican president was Dwight Eisenhower. (well Gerald Ford wasn't bad, but he wasn't exactly elected President) Even George Bush Sr. was a much better president.
The biggest crunch will come when the Chinese and to a lesser extent the Japanese stop buying US government bonds, a likely scenerio at some point. Otherwise, it would be like expecting an insurance company to sell you fire insurance while your house is on fire.
The BIGGEST THREAT TO AMERICAN SECURITY is the Bush Republican budget deficit!
Cuba? Ha!
Remove the trade sanctions and invade Cuba with MacDonalds, Burger Kings, Ford dealerships, Amway, Disney, etc. and that will destroy the Communists in short order. Maybe then Guantanimo Bay will come under Cuban law, seeing as how the US government argues that US law does not apply there.
Tigger
03-06-2004, 10:49 AM
graffias79 wrote:

I don't remember who said it, but I agree fully with them. I look back to the 1990s and miss President Clinton. At least the economy was working correctly and a lot of other $hit wasnt as screwed up as it is now. But thats just one person's opinion.

And of course since the economy tanked in 2000 we are going to have to take the whole economy working correctly while Clinton was president with a big grain of salt.
-Tig
whabang
03-08-2004, 10:56 AM
T_Bone wrote:

whabang wrote:
Well, let's see. Isn't there any female candidates? :-P

Well the republicans may run a woman next election :-)
Cool. That could be a refreshing change! :-)
Speelgoedmannetje
03-08-2004, 12:02 PM
T_Bone wrote:
Woa! *cough* Someone's found my political soft spot! :lol: Who do they think I should vote for?Ralph Nader! :-)
ZINE
03-09-2004, 11:49 PM
As a republican, I have to say nader is a great guy. May he steal many democratic party votes again. :lol:
Glaucus
03-09-2004, 11:50 PM
ZINE wrote:
As a republican, I have to say nader is a great guy. May he steal many democratic party votes again. :lol: Damn. Where's Ross Perot when you need him?!? ;-)

- Mike
T_Bone
03-09-2004, 11:52 PM
ZINE wrote:
As a republican, I have to say nader is a great guy. May he steal many democratic party votes again. :lol:

Hells yea! I'm even reccomending voting for Nader among those that I know, that I'd never be able to "enlighten" in time for the elections. :-P
T_Bone
03-09-2004, 11:55 PM
Glaucus wrote:

ZINE wrote:
As a republican, I have to say nader is a great guy. May he steal many democratic party votes again. :lol: Damn. Where's Ross Perot when you need him?!? ;-)

- Mike

he's still wondering what's in the glass.

"The Democrats will tell you the glass is half empty, the Republicans will tell you the glass is half full, but I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, what is in that glass? We need to be asking what's in that glass! Don't drink what they're pourin'!"

[edit - I wonder if Ross Perot ever said anything that actually meant something]
Glaucus
03-10-2004, 12:01 AM
he's still wondering what's in the glass.

"The Democrats will tell you the glass is half empty, the Republicans will tell you the glass is half full, but I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, what is in that glass? We need to be asking what's in that glass! Don't drink what they're pourin'!"I'll tell ya what was in that glass: wasted republican votes! I'll drink to that! :pint: :-D

- Mike
Fade
03-10-2004, 03:43 PM
T_Bone, had you voted in a predominately Democratic district in Florida
your vote may not have been counted in the last election (http://www.ncpa.org/iss/gov/pd120501f.html). :shocked:
Speelgoedmannetje
03-10-2004, 03:46 PM
Is there actually ONE vote being counted during elections in the US? :lol:
Glaucus
03-10-2004, 03:49 PM
Fade wrote:
T_Bone, if you vote in a predominately Democratic district
your vote may not have been counted in the last election (http://www.ncpa.org/iss/gov/pd120501f.html). :shocked:Is your name printed on the ballot when you vote?!? How do they know what race spoiled how many ballots?!? Strange. And when I click on the link at the bottom "For Text", it points to an invalid page.

- Mike
Fade
03-10-2004, 04:01 PM
In my voting district if you spoil a ballot the machine spits it back, and you have to go back through the line and exchange it for a new one.

For me the "For Text" says page no longer available, and tells how to search for it by "Simply type in the keyword(s) and click "search" to find where the information now appears."